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RE: Deadlift form week 3. - Apr. 22 2008 19:10:38
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Shicky
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Use your legs more at the beginning of the movement, drive the weight up with the legs. Once you're clear of the knees force the hips forward and pull the weight back. I dont think you're actually driving much with the legs and using your back, like you arent using correct technique so not moving it with the legs then slowly sliding up to the back which you can pull it with.
Are you feeling anything in your glutes/hams/quads at all?
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RE: Deadlift form week 3. - Apr. 22 2008 19:27:22
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Feel nothing in glutes or hams. At the start I feel a little in my quads. I keep trying to shift the weights to my quads more so the start movement is more of a squat. I think maybe my legs can't handle the weight so just leave it up to the back to get it off the floor and up.
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RE: Deadlift form week 3. - Apr. 22 2008 20:51:30
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you could try lowering the weight and work on your technique, maybe just 60kg or something and work on gettin your glutes and hams working, you could even try this 2moro since its a light weight and not realy a workout just light weight working on form/ technique. do you push from your heels not your feet? when i 1st started squatting i pushed withmy toes and my quads worked more, but then i read push with your heels and my glutes and hames worked more. you could try widening your stance also. i find a wider stance elps me use my hips more rather than quads.
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RE: Deadlift form week 3. - Apr. 22 2008 21:05:43
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As with the oly lifts you need to get you hips lower and keep your body at the same angle to the floor for longer. Out of interest have you videoed you front and back squat? I'd be interested to see what you hips lower back are doing when you go low on that movement.
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RE: Deadlift form week 3. - Apr. 22 2008 21:07:56
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Im no expert, but I found what really helped me, was to keep the weight low and really focus on form, and do plenty of reps (as I believe T0NY has said on a few other topics - low intensity, high volume). I spent 4 or so weeks with 50-70kg for my workouts, and at home, If I had any doubt, I'd run through the technique slowly without a bar (sounds funny, but if you do everything in order and slowly, its eventually comes togther), and still do every now and then to just check. Im only working with just above 100kg now, but I feel confident with my form, so I add about 2.5-5kg a week, the last thing I want is to do my back in.
Use your glutes, and push your hips forward, and pull your sternum back. If you dont, you lift the weight by pulling with your back. Sometimes form between the two is almost identical, but using your glutes and core more so, feels better (to the point where you will not feel it as much in your lower back).
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RE: Deadlift form week 3. - Apr. 22 2008 21:09:43
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but then i read push with your heels and my glutes and hames worked more. you could try widening your stance also. i find a wider stance elps me use my hips more rather than quads.
You should have the feeling the feeling you're able to lift up you big toe as you do the pull.
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RE: Deadlift form week 3. - Apr. 22 2008 21:18:22
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..... I should add that if you're lifting anywhere near an eye popping 1RM then of course you're going to want to lift with the feeling of spreading your feet with most of the weight on the heels but with the toes very much on the floor.
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RE: Deadlift form week 3. - Apr. 22 2008 23:55:24
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Thanks to everyone who commented, especialy Stone and Drew as you help every week. 
I think I'm going to have to lower the weight. Hate doing it but I guess in the end it will benefit me. I'll do say 6 light sets making sure form is perfect and then go for a few reps on 90kg.
Drew - I'll be front squating on thursday so I'll post a vid of that up for you. Never actualy done a back squat..
As usual I'll read this thread and the others over again before deadlifting so its all fresh in my mind.
Thanks
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RE: Deadlift form week 3. - Apr. 23 2008 19:50:00
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This is the third week you have posted a vid and you have the same issues every week, so why did you not just lower it in the first place? To me that seems common sense, I know when I hit a weight in DLs I feel my form is lacking on I will put the weight back down to make sure I just build it up.
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RE: Deadlift form week 3. - Apr. 23 2008 20:49:48
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hes prob trying to correct his form without lowering the weight, no one likes to lower the weight there lifting since this games about progression, but it looks like that is what needs to be done here and i think he's realised this.
yes its common sense but ppl will try to not do it if they can get away with it. but some cases it has to be done
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RE: Deadlift form week 3. - Apr. 23 2008 20:51:45
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This week: (This week seems even more bloody backy. I think week two vids look better?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndXvVBVT-aQ
wats going on with the cam angle? wer gana pull a muscle in are neck watching more of these lol
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RE: Deadlift form week 3. - Apr. 23 2008 21:10:31
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jack5r
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 Well I have to turn the camera on its head to get my whole body in and my Ivideo isn't working so I can't edit it at all.
Yep stone that's exactly was I trying to do, didn't work so the weight will have to drop if I ever want to lift with good form.
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RE: Deadlift form week 3. - Apr. 23 2008 23:32:33
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IMO I thought the third video was a little better
The first few videos I thought the start position was quite iffy, mainly because the bar's so low that you were having to reach down quite far to hold it. It may have been the light but it did look to me like your lower back was rounding
The newest video I thought showed an improvement in this respect, mainly because you seem to have put something under the plates to raise the bar a little
I did notice you have a tendency to jerk the bar at the beginning of the rep to get it moving - try to nip this in the bud
I think dropping the weight would be a good move
If all else fails, join Keenan and me and start doing sumo deadlifts
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RE: Deadlift form week 3. - Apr. 25 2008 19:12:35
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Just from looking quickly you could do with squatting a bit lower
How are you holding the bar for front squats? I can't see but I have a feeling you're holding the weight up with your arms rather than resting the bar on your shoulders, judging by where your elbows are (they're not up very high)
http://static.flickr.com/116/274644998_45bf2715a3_m.jpg
This should give you an idea of how to hold it. You might need to work on your wrist flexibility if you find this difficult
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RE: Deadlift form week 3. - Apr. 28 2008 15:36:19
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Ok I went light today to really work on form just doing 2 heavy sets:
Deadlift:
65kg - 10
75kg - 10
85kg - 10
95kg - 5
100kg - 5,7 (PB) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaKm2Q_FLp8
The first rep looks dodgy but an improvment on all the others don't you think? My hips still come up abit fast but I felt I had less stress on my lower back this week.
What do you all think?
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RE: Deadlift form week 3. - Apr. 28 2008 16:08:38
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Def good improvements. Nice set!
I hope you weren't trying to look at yourself in the mirror during that set? If so don't, concentrate on how your body feels doing the set as opposed to how it looks. If not then sorry!
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RE: Deadlift form week 3. - Apr. 28 2008 16:09:18
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...ooh and you back squats looked good. Just need to find a place with a rack and oly bar now!
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RE: Deadlift form week 3. - Apr. 28 2008 18:18:30
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jack5r
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Ok, I won't go by the mirror anymore and watch bac my vids closely after each set.
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