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RE: Haye Confronts Klitschko - Apr. 29 2008 7:26:19
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Don't want to split hairs here mate but there is a difference, especially from a fighters p.o.v.  Haye was rescued on his feet by the ref, he was exhausted and taking unanswered punches from Thompson, who he underestimated. Vlad was properly put down and could'nt continue on two occasions.
I do think Haye has the tools to do it.
However, I am dissappointed in his actions, he did seem to be ranting a bit and Vlad looked bemused. I have watched Haye since he was a 16 year old amateur. He does have weaknesses but also some amazing strengths in his skill and power, thats what makes him exciting I guess.I have always said he has potential to go all the way and has a v.good chance against Vlad especially after their respective last fights.
Lets watch this space guys.
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RE: Haye Confronts Klitschko - Apr. 29 2008 10:06:51
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Don't want to split hairs here mate but there is a difference, especially from a fighters p.o.v. Haye was rescued on his feet by the ref, he was exhausted and taking unanswered punches from Thompson, who he underestimated. Vlad was properly put down and could'nt continue on two occasions.
Not really true. The way Klitschko "gassed out" against Brewster was almost identical to Haye's loss against Thompson. Brewster landed a good left hook, but that was incidental to the fact Klitschko was on his way to losing anyway. Haye panicked against Thompson and Klitschko panicked against Brewster.
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RE: Haye Confronts Klitschko - Apr. 29 2008 10:31:42
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reminded me of many a friday or sat night out with a mouthy twat shouting the odds when you are infact out for a quiet pint and are not remotely interested.
unless it was staged very poor display of manners/decorum considering it was at a charity event. haye imo is in danger of believing his own hype and tbh he is relatively untested against big heavyweights, his chin isnt the best either.
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RE: Haye Confronts Klitschko - Apr. 29 2008 17:25:49
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The fact that Haye was rescued by the ref against Thompson before he hit the canvas, technically made it a TKO. But one more punch and he would have been well and truly knocked the fcuk out.
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RE: Haye Confronts Klitschko - Apr. 29 2008 19:26:31
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just realised the trafford centre doesnt have escalators 
it didnt seem to be staged and i agree with the comments that it was a bit rude, agree with ihawk, he put klitshko in a no-win situation really
he has nowt to prove by fighting haye, except maybe shutting him up
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RE: Haye Confronts Klitschko - Apr. 29 2008 20:39:28
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Haye should be quiet and let his boxing do the talking. He is going to lose a lot of fans behaving like he has been since beating Mormeck and Enzo.
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RE: Haye Confronts Klitschko - Apr. 29 2008 21:16:18
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I agree, it doesn't suit him. It's fun to watch James Toney trashtalking because it comes to him naturally and you can see it's all show. The problem with Haye is he is not a natural trashtalker, and that's why he was so excited and confrontational. It just isn't him really.
"Happy mothers' day to all the mothers out there." Is this the same David Haye who said that??
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RE: Haye Confronts Klitschko - Apr. 29 2008 21:17:39
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It's just him doing his best to get a fight that he really doesn't deserve.
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RE: Haye Confronts Klitschko - Apr. 29 2008 23:22:23
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I dont mind Haye doing that talking but he needs to look at Junior Witter as an example of not getting the fights you want.Tony Thompson and the other guy are the contenders so he just needs 2 or 3 fights to tune up and we could see it happen around summer-autumn 2009
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RE: Haye Confronts Klitschko - Apr. 30 2008 1:30:19
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Haye should be quiet and let his boxing do the talking.
Agree with this,i do like haye and think he could beat Wlad,but i must say thats no way to go about it.
He just needs to get on with what hes doing in fighting some decent heavyweights,and then obviously if hes proven Wlad will have to fight him.
Haye just wants this fight right now,but tbh he needs to prove himself in the division before getting his shot at Wlad.
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RE: Haye Confronts Klitschko - May 1 2008 20:51:12
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I see your point Roger about the two stoppages. I am a Haye fan but he does need to wind his neck in a bit cause all that gobbing off don't suit him and detracts from what he is actually good at... boxing. Both guys have the power to ko the other but Haye should have the edge in skill if he can get past Vlads long arms and weird but effective defence.
But whatever happens, Haye needs to establish himself as a heavyweight first and can't just jump the queue.
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RE: Haye Confronts Klitschko - May 1 2008 22:26:54
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I was thinking about this today, and all these guys need each other. The heavyweight division needs Audley, and Haye to liven things up. Even if they lose in the US they can give some good fights. At the moment the situation is dire. Sam Peter can give some excitement, but it seems like he is the only one.
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RE: Haye Confronts Klitschko - May 1 2008 22:30:34
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1. Wlad Klitschko
2. Ruslan Chagaev
3. Samuel Peter
4. Nicolay Valuev
5. Sultan Ibragimov
6. Tony Thompson
7. Lamon Brewster
8. Alex Povetkin
9. Matt Skelton
10. Oleg Maskaev
i dont confess to being the biggest boxing fan in the world (mainly due to not being able to see many fights)
but of the above names, prior to reading rogers post i had heard of 2 or 3 of them 
something needs to be done
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RE: Haye Confronts Klitschko - May 2 2008 3:52:36
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For those who suggest Haye does not deserve a shot at WK, what are your thoughts on Hatton moving up to fight Mayweather or Calzaghe moving up to fight Hopkins?
Neither established themselves in the division prior to their contests - unless you include Hatton scraping a highly contested points win against a light punching welterweight who had him out on his feet at the end.
The only difference between those two and Haye is that politics are getting in the way of a fight being made. WK has two mandatories to honour or he would lose the belts.
No question at all that a Haye V WK fight would be much bigger than Tony Thompson or the IBF mandatory Povetkin (who is a decent fighter and could beat WK)
All Haye can do if WK is not willing to fight him is to get in there and move up the rankings until he becomes unavoidable. Which is exactly what he did at cruiserweight.
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RE: Haye Confronts Klitschko - May 2 2008 15:45:23
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Ultimately it's all about being known to get a shot without moving up the rankings. Hatton had got himself known in the States, and so had Calzaghe. Haye hasn't.
You could add Roy Jones moving up to fight Ruiz to your list I suppose, but he was a household name in the states. We all know the rankings are ridiculous, but part of the problem with heavyweight boxing (in addition to the fighters) is the fact HBO dictate to fighters who are signed with them when and who to fight. I hope Haye becomes unavoidable, but I don't think he's even being avoided at the moment.
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RE: Haye Confronts Klitschko - May 2 2008 15:54:31
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Ultimately it's all about being known to get a shot without moving up the rankings. Hatton had got himself known in the States, and so had Calzaghe. Haye hasn't.
You could add Roy Jones moving up to fight Ruiz to your list I suppose, but he was a household name in the states. We all know the rankings are ridiculous, but part of the problem with heavyweight boxing (in addition to the fighters) is the fact HBO dictate to fighters who are signed with them when and who to fight. I hope Haye becomes unavoidable, but I don't think he's even being avoided at the moment.
Haye is definitely known in the States, especially after HBO screened him giving Enzo an absolute pasting.
Certainly more popular than the majority of the top ten listed above, including WK's next two opponents Thompson and Povetkin.
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RE: Haye Confronts Klitschko - May 2 2008 21:19:50
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I don't think that was HBO. It was Showtime. The guy just isn't known in the states, and the cruiserweight division is not the most popular anyway.
I think once American fans do see more of Haye they should get excited. He's very like Roy Jones with his speed moving forward, when he chooses to fight aggressively.
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RE: Haye Confronts Klitschko - May 2 2008 22:11:10
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Integra I think it`s generally accepted that the cruiserweight division is poor in comparison or at least not as popular as the heavyweight scene, to my recollection even boxers considered outstaning or at least very good have come unstuck when they have moved up, obviously with the exception of Holyfield.
The Trafford centre does have escalators(even though this isn`t it) and Haye looks like a coq in that clip, I`m quite embarrassed for him.
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RE: Haye Confronts Klitschko - May 2 2008 22:25:27
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Haye makes himself look a right coc* IMHO in that vid.
People hate a gobshi*e and thats all hes being there. Hes shows no respect for an heavyweight champ even though hes never fought at that weight or had his chin tested at that weight.
Hes a class fighter but hes not perfect and if he runs his mouth and gets up his own arse much more then he may as well then he may well go the same way as Junior Witter, Unpopular champion who has low earning, few fans and the majority want to see him beat.
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RE: Haye Confronts Klitschko - May 3 2008 4:37:14
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I don't think that was HBO. It was Showtime. The guy just isn't known in the states, and the cruiserweight division is not the most popular anyway.
I think once American fans do see more of Haye they should get excited. He's very like Roy Jones with his speed moving forward, when he chooses to fight aggressively.
Roger, David Haye is known in the states. This is undeniable. The Mormeck fight and the Maccarinelli fight were both live on US TV (HBO or Showtime, not really relevant).
Calzaghe had not fought in the States, many of his fights were not screened in America with a few exceptions. The Kessler V Calzaghe was the lowest rated prime-time HBO world championship boxing event ever. The Manfredo fight did even worse that that when screened in the afternoon.
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People hate a gobshi*e and thats all hes being there. Hes shows no respect for an heavyweight champ even though hes never fought at that weight or had his chin tested at that weight.
Haye is behaving like an absolute tool, this is also undeniable. But is he behaving any differently to Ricky Hatton while he was pursuing a fight with Floyd Mayweather? Not at all.
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Integra I think it`s generally accepted that the cruiserweight division is poor in comparison or at least not as popular as the heavyweight scene, to my recollection even boxers considered outstaning or at least very good have come unstuck when they have moved up, obviously with the exception of Holyfield.
In comparison to the current heavyweight scene, talent-wise the cruiserweight division is quite comparable. It is considered to be the blue riband division because of its rich history but the fact that many are predicting huge things for Haye shows that the division is clearly lacking ability and excitement. A look at the top ten listed above clearly proves this. With the exception of Wlad and Povetkin that is a very very poor list of heavyweights, one of the dullest for a long time.
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