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RE: Do deadlifts widen mid section? - Apr. 29 2008 21:54:42
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My waist isn't particularly large from squatting/DL'ing, more from eating too much food.
I know Trebor had an issue with large obliques through squats/dl's but this may be more to his obliques being a genetic strongpoint compared to others.
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RE: Do deadlifts widen mid section? - Apr. 29 2008 21:56:57
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If you want to keep your waist as small as possible, drop deadlifts and squads.
Switch to using a smith machine for both.
Care to explain your reasoning behind this?
For sure,
Doing Squats and Deads on the smith machine take off a lot of stress from your obliques as they no longer are put in use to balance the bar.
Thus keeping a smaller waist due to smaller obliques.
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RE: Do deadlifts widen mid section? - Apr. 29 2008 21:57:11
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please explain how squatting in the smith machine doesnt affect your waistline?
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RE: Do deadlifts widen mid section? - Apr. 29 2008 21:58:31
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My waist isn't particularly large from squatting/DL'ing, more from eating too much food.
I know Trebor had an issue with large obliques through squats/dl's but this may be more to his obliques being a genetic strongpoint compared to others.
Nail on the head there mate, some people have naturally big obliques and they just tend to respond well to training via deadlift/squat. Not great from an asthetical point of view.
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RE: Do deadlifts widen mid section? - Apr. 29 2008 22:00:31
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If you want to keep your waist as small as possible, drop deadlifts and squads.
Switch to using a smith machine for both.
Care to explain your reasoning behind this?
For sure,
Doing Squats and Deads on the smith machine take off a lot of stress from your obliques as they no longer are put in use to balance the bar.
Thus keeping a smaller waist due to smaller obliques.
thanks pal.
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RE: Do deadlifts widen mid section? - Apr. 29 2008 22:10:22
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they can do
but the benifits your back gets is 2nd to none
look at cornelious parkin deadlifted 350kg he has a massive back and a tiny waist
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RE: Do deadlifts widen mid section? - Apr. 29 2008 22:44:36
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look at cornelious parkin deadlifted 350kg he has a massive back and a tiny waist
Look at Oly lifters in the lighter weight classes. They do masses of heavy squatting and pulling.
Do they all have blocky waists? Do they ****.
Its a myth brought about by the uneducated who look at the stereotypical super heavyweight powerlifter and put the size of their waist down to squats and deads.
Utter garbage.
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RE: Do deadlifts widen mid section? - Apr. 29 2008 22:48:56
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Yes. I started weight training with a lean stomach and a 34 inch waist. Now I have a massive belly and a 40 inch waist. They've definitely worked for me!!
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RE: Do deadlifts widen mid section? - Apr. 29 2008 23:37:57
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look at cornelious parkin deadlifted 350kg he has a massive back and a tiny waist
Look at Oly lifters in the lighter weight classes. They do masses of heavy squatting and pulling.
Do they all have blocky waists? Do they ****.
Its a myth brought about by the uneducated who look at the stereotypical super heavyweight powerlifter and put the size of their waist down to squats and deads.
Utter garbage.
Seems like this is a sensitive subject to you...
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RE: Do deadlifts widen mid section? - Apr. 30 2008 7:13:21
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Seems like this is a sensitive subject to you...
Not really.
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RE: Do deadlifts widen mid section? - Apr. 30 2008 7:31:15
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heavy lifting, be it squats, deads, overhead work, will encourage growth of the spinal erectors and the external and internal abdominal muscles. if these get bigger they're going to take up more space.
all other things staying equal, waist must increase.
if you take into account possible fat loss from training, that's a whole other story. 
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RE: Do deadlifts widen mid section? - Apr. 30 2008 7:32:48
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Seems like this is a sensitive subject to you...
Not really.
it's true, Tony pulls as much as I do and is a very slim chap, were I have the waist size of two men. we can speculate all day about the causes but it's very little to do with squats and deadlifts
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RE: Do deadlifts widen mid section? - Apr. 30 2008 9:23:28
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Chap I know has an awesome V-taper/tiny waist in comparison to back width.......hes done loads of deads/squats for all the time hes been training and its never affected him....Id say he has 1 of the best tapers on his back Ive seen on a natural.I think a lot of it as said depends on genetics.Some lads i know have very "square shapes" even tho they arent into heavy squats/deads.
I have always loved heavy squats and have a reasonably small waist in comparision to back width.
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RE: Do deadlifts widen mid section? - Apr. 30 2008 10:09:10
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To those on here who say it ruins the v taper, makes you fat etc ...
Stop trying to find reasons not to deadlift ... I know it's hard, but do it!
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RE: Do deadlifts widen mid section? - Apr. 30 2008 10:19:00
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To those on here who say it ruins the v taper, makes you fat etc ...
Stop trying to find reasons not to deadlift ... I know it's hard, but do it!
but i dont like deadlifts as they are bad for you... i dont need to train legs either as i play football quite a bit
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RE: Do deadlifts widen mid section? - Apr. 30 2008 10:21:50
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I think squat and deadlift do make the midsection stronger but its not going to blow up like your traps is it?
i think im one of those people that has big obliques, doesnt bother me that much
i think genetics dictate if you keep a slim waist whilst eating lots or not mines always poked out a touch before deadlift and squats were even in my dictionary
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RE: Do deadlifts widen mid section? - Apr. 30 2008 10:22:57
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also the smith machine comment is complete BS.
it lacks logic
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RE: Do deadlifts widen mid section? - Apr. 30 2008 10:36:39
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On a deadlift the obliques (and abdominals and erector spinae) are all used as stabilisers to provide a strong connection from lower body to upper body.
By changing from an Olympic bar to a Smith Machine, the same muscles are used so the concept of Smith deads removing the possibility of increased obliques (assuming deadlifts actually have that effect anyway) is nonsense.
However, by doing the exercise in a Smith Machine, you put an extra load on the lower back due to the starting position.
Rather than bar pressed up against shins, you need to have a gap between shin and bar to allow the bar to travel vertically up past the knee. The whole movement means the bar will not travel as close to the body as a regular deadlift thereby resulting in extra strain on the lower back, so going by Ouch's reasoning, this would in fact enlarge the lower back (and possibly glutes) resulting in a bigger lower back and ass - certainly not beneficial to the trainer looking for the V taper.
Just another reason not to deadlift in a Smith Machine.
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RE: Do deadlifts widen mid section? - Apr. 30 2008 17:27:19
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im sure people will agree the benefits of exercises such as squats and deads far outweighs the 'blocky' look it may produce
No i dropped deads altogether and don't do heavy low rep squating anymore because my waist was just getting blockier and blockier.
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RE: Do deadlifts widen mid section? - Apr. 30 2008 18:50:33
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To worry about your beard when your head is about to be cut off is a daft idea. You will widen your mid section or any other bodyparts by eating more or by eating the same amount and doing less, end of. Exercices have nothing to do with that. Why would you deprive yourself? If there was one or two exercices to be done, the deadlift would be one of them.
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