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RE: How important is it to lift heavy? - May 1 2008 20:46:21
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MuscleQuest
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i cant sacrifice form for weight on back day otherwise i wud never get anywhere. Training other body parts i have a little leeway
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RE: How important is it to lift heavy? - May 1 2008 20:58:24
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Because for the *majority* it works.
Going from your sig it isn't working that great for you
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RE: How important is it to lift heavy? - May 1 2008 21:30:02
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Hi,
I've been asking myself lately whether it really is important to lift very heavy. For instance, I can barely do 1 pull-up and I'm 80kg and lean. I see other guys who do 10 pull ups in a row and they look 70kg or less. Same goes for other things like biceps curls (guys doing 30kg and more with 30cm guns). What I mean is that volume is just what you get for eating bigger+everyday exercise, gym just gets you stronger.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Well pull up is down to power / weight ratio, i weigh 85kg and can manage 3x10 with 10kg added.
I say dont be scared off by them they are excellent for upper back. shouldnt be left outta a routine i say.
Practice makes perfect and all that :)
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RE: How important is it to lift heavy? - May 1 2008 23:23:34
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progression is key.
one way to progress is increase the weight.
there are a few other ways like increase number of reps, number of sets, decrease time between sets.
but ultimately your have to increase the weight.
heavy is a relative term. what i find heavy is light for some people, while others can not lift it.
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RE: How important is it to lift heavy? - May 2 2008 5:43:23
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whatever is heavy for you, use. I want some function in my muscles, its not all about the look for me, its about having enough strength to lift the super tower burger i get them to make for me at the greasy burger van, i need some power for that i'm telling ya!!!!!
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RE: How important is it to lift heavy? - May 2 2008 7:59:46
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Because for the *majority* it works.
Going from your sig it isn't working that great for you
dont see why not, some good number on there for his weight
keep up the good work jonezy 
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RE: How important is it to lift heavy? - May 2 2008 11:33:04
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How important is it to lift heavy?
Barring friends and family it's the single most important thing.
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RE: How important is it to lift heavy? - May 2 2008 11:55:54
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Don't forget, 'heavy' is down to perception and body mechanics - numbers don't really mean alot.
Heavy doesn't have to mean training to failure with low reps each week, it can mean using a weight that's an effort in even a higher rep range.
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RE: How important is it to lift heavy? - May 2 2008 13:07:40
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it can mean using a weight that's an effort in even a higher rep range.
No, that's hard work not a heavy load.
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RE: How important is it to lift heavy? - May 2 2008 15:35:43
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How important is it to lift heavy?
Barring friends and family it's the single most important thing.
lol, as daft as it sounds i quite agree,
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RE: How important is it to lift heavy? - May 2 2008 16:35:41
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Because for the *majority* it works.
Going from your sig it isn't working that great for you
dont see why not, some good number on there for his weight
keep up the good work jonezy
Thats my point mate he's lifting some decent weight but isn't very big.
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RE: How important is it to lift heavy? - May 2 2008 18:15:00
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Does that mean that, say, 5x5 is better than 3x10?
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RE: How important is it to lift heavy? - May 2 2008 19:04:10
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Does that mean that, say, 5x5 is better than 3x10?
no as long as the weight gets gradually heavier(for you) hypertrophy should occurwith both,taking into acount diet/rest etc.
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RE: How important is it to lift heavy? - May 3 2008 3:36:12
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Thats my point mate he's lifting some decent weight but isn't very big.
But 'weight' is down to diet and having a calorie surplus to add weight, not to do with training. If he's light then he would need to eat more in order to add weight, it has nothing to do with training really, this just determines the composition of it.
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RE: How important is it to lift heavy? - May 3 2008 4:26:01
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Thats my point mate he's lifting some decent weight but isn't very big.
But 'weight' is down to diet and having a calorie surplus to add weight, not to do with training. If he's light then he would need to eat more in order to add weight, it has nothing to do with training really, this just determines the composition of it.
MM
So training has nothing to do with gaining muscular size its all down to just eating?
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RE: How important is it to lift heavy? - May 3 2008 11:46:43
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Thats my point mate he's lifting some decent weight but isn't very big.
But 'weight' is down to diet and having a calorie surplus to add weight, not to do with training. If he's light then he would need to eat more in order to add weight, it has nothing to do with training really, this just determines the composition of it.
MM
So training has nothing to do with gaining muscular size its all down to just eating?
lol
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RE: How important is it to lift heavy? - May 3 2008 12:16:17
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Thats my point mate he's lifting some decent weight but isn't very big.
But 'weight' is down to diet and having a calorie surplus to add weight, not to do with training. If he's light then he would need to eat more in order to add weight, it has nothing to do with training really, this just determines the composition of it.
MM
So training has nothing to do with gaining muscular size its all down to just eating?
muscle size is to do with trianing.
weight gain is not. weight gain is soley down to eating more than you need. okay your like look a fat git if do not do the weights.
as with the person who is not the biggest. we do not know what his pre-weight trianing size was.
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RE: How important is it to lift heavy? - May 3 2008 13:03:03
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Thats my point mate he's lifting some decent weight but isn't very big.
But 'weight' is down to diet and having a calorie surplus to add weight, not to do with training. If he's light then he would need to eat more in order to add weight, it has nothing to do with training really, this just determines the composition of it.
MM
So training has nothing to do with gaining muscular size its all down to just eating?
muscle size is to do with trianing.
weight gain is not. weight gain is soley down to eating more than you need. okay your like look a fat git if do not do the weights.
as with the person who is not the biggest. we do not know what his pre-weight trianing size was.
body weight gain is actually down to feeding your body with the right amount of nutriants, protein,carbs and fat, you do not need to eat a surplus, but critical that you get enough (very fine line) thats why most eat excess, training still needs to be done to force the muscle to adapt to the new stimulus placed upon it which in turns needs the food to grow...
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RE: How important is it to lift heavy? - May 3 2008 19:51:27
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How important is it to lift heavy?
Barring friends and family it's the single most important thing.
That says it all for me. Go heavy...simple as that IMO. I HAVE done 8 rep schemes.and i have done 10 rep schemes etc etc...but for me nothing beats 3 X 5, 5 X 5 or 4 X 6 with the emphasis on heavy weight and the attitude kept on increasing those weights.
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RE: How important is it to lift heavy? - May 3 2008 19:53:02
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might have to give this 5x5 training ago, havent done i yet, been doing the odd 3x8 for a while
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