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RE: Internet bulk suppliers or brands - Apr. 30 2008 17:45:06
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paulom
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ok got your point
you have no idea what's going on in the world of making you feel and look younger
some products are sold at 500 pounds per two jars and the cream in itself costs less then 10 pounds
others cos more then 250 pounds but you can buy the same in a suppermaket by 20. the same stuff, produced in the same lab only different smell and pack
crazy buy true
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RE: Internet bulk suppliers or brands - Apr. 30 2008 17:51:23
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Makes whatever naughtiness supps companies get up to look SFA by comparison. There's a phrase for advertizing which goes 'sell the sizzle' not the steak. Face creams and the like are the best example of this.
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RE: Internet bulk suppliers or brands - Apr. 30 2008 20:03:22
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Branded suppliers will take a risk on a product, and it either takes off (e.g. bsn no-xplode, eas creatine, ax mass fx etc.) and changes the face of the supplement market,
Three cheers for the 'one born every minute' market.
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RE: Internet bulk suppliers or brands - Apr. 30 2008 20:36:07
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quote:
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Branded suppliers will take a risk on a product, and it either takes off (e.g. bsn no-xplode, eas creatine, ax mass fx etc.) and changes the face of the supplement market,
Three cheers for the 'one born every minute' market.
there are...about a million studies....showing the beneficial effects of:
- creatine
- strong stimulants like caffiene
On a individuals that train. Those studies by default prove the usefulness of:
- EAS's Creatine (before they launched it in 1992 or so, creatine was NOT available on the supplement market, and launching it was a significant risk for them) - due to it being...duh...creatine
- No-Xplode - due to containing both creatine and strong stimulants
Many, many, many users.....aside from little snide little prats like you...anecdotally support the usefulness, and benefits of these products.
In terms of Mass FX, I'd like to direct your attention to the search button above you, where you'll find post after post detailing the benefits many members have found from taking Mass FX. In fact, I challenge you to find one Anabolic Xtreme product people haven't consistently benefited from.
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RE: Internet bulk suppliers or brands - Apr. 30 2008 20:46:21
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JohnKerr2
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quote:
ORIGINAL: ThaiFighter
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ORIGINAL: JohnKerr2
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ORIGINAL: ThaiFighter
Branded suppliers will take a risk on a product, and it either takes off (e.g. bsn no-xplode, eas creatine, ax mass fx etc.) and changes the face of the supplement market,
Three cheers for the 'one born every minute' market.
there are...about a million studies....showing the beneficial effects of:
- creatine
- strong stimulants like caffiene
On a individuals that train. Those studies by default prove the usefulness of:
- EAS's Creatine (before they launched it in 1992 or so, creatine was NOT available on the supplement market, and launching it was a significant risk for them) - due to it being...duh...creatine
- No-Xplode - due to containing both creatine and strong stimulants
Many, many, many users.....aside from little snide little prats like you...anecdotally support the usefulness, and benefits of these products.
In terms of Mass FX, I'd like to direct your attention to the search button above you, where you'll find post after post detailing the benefits many members have found from taking Mass FX. In fact, I challenge you to find one Anabolic Xtreme product people haven't consistently benefited from.
Casting insults at me won't help you. Is that how desperate you've become?
Anecdotal evidence, as I'm sure you're aware, is prone to all manner of distortions and delusions.
If there isn't some sort of placebo effect going on, there's always the strong possibility that those who've fallen for the marketing and given their money in exchange for this snake oil are reluctant to admit a mistake and lose face.
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RE: Internet bulk suppliers or brands - Apr. 30 2008 20:50:21
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quote:
ORIGINAL: JohnKerr2
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ORIGINAL: ThaiFighter
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ORIGINAL: JohnKerr2
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ORIGINAL: ThaiFighter
Branded suppliers will take a risk on a product, and it either takes off (e.g. bsn no-xplode, eas creatine, ax mass fx etc.) and changes the face of the supplement market,
Three cheers for the 'one born every minute' market.
there are...about a million studies....showing the beneficial effects of:
- creatine
- strong stimulants like caffiene
On a individuals that train. Those studies by default prove the usefulness of:
- EAS's Creatine (before they launched it in 1992 or so, creatine was NOT available on the supplement market, and launching it was a significant risk for them) - due to it being...duh...creatine
- No-Xplode - due to containing both creatine and strong stimulants
Many, many, many users.....aside from little snide little prats like you...anecdotally support the usefulness, and benefits of these products.
In terms of Mass FX, I'd like to direct your attention to the search button above you, where you'll find post after post detailing the benefits many members have found from taking Mass FX. In fact, I challenge you to find one Anabolic Xtreme product people haven't consistently benefited from.
Casting insults at me won't help you. Is that how desperate you've become?
Anecdotal evidence, as I'm sure you're aware, is prone to all manner of distortions and delusions.
If there isn't some sort of placebo effect going on, there's always the strong possibility that those who've fallen for the marketing and given their money in exchange for this snake oil are reluctant to admit a mistake and lose face.
since you:
1) have never tried any of the supplements we're discussing
2) have no studies to prove what you say
3) have no anecdotal evidence to create any suppositions...
I'm just going to say you're talking bollocks, as usual. Nice try, cheer up...it'll improve the quality of conversation.
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RE: Internet bulk suppliers or brands - Apr. 30 2008 20:53:33
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JohnKerr2
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Casting insults at me won't help you. Is that how desperate you've become?
Anecdotal evidence, as I'm sure you're aware, is prone to all manner of distortions and delusions.
If there isn't some sort of placebo effect going on, there's always the strong possibility that those who've fallen for the marketing and given their money in exchange for this snake oil are reluctant to admit a mistake and lose face.
since you:
1) have never tried any of the supplements we're discussing
2) have no studies to prove what you say
3) have no anecdotal evidence to create any suppositions...
I'm just going to say you're talking bollocks, as usual. Nice try, cheer up...it'll improve the quality of conversation.
I'm not the one desperately trying to flog snake oil to Muscle Talk members.
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RE: Internet bulk suppliers or brands - Apr. 30 2008 20:56:53
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quote:
ORIGINAL: ThaiFighter
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ORIGINAL: ThaiFighter
Branded suppliers will take a risk on a product, and it either takes off (e.g. bsn no-xplode, eas creatine, ax mass fx etc.) and changes the face of the supplement market,
Three cheers for the 'one born every minute' market.
there are...about a million studies....showing the beneficial effects of:
- creatine
- strong stimulants like caffiene
On a individuals that train. Those studies by default prove the usefulness of:
- EAS's Creatine (before they launched it in 1992 or so, creatine was NOT available on the supplement market, and launching it was a significant risk for them) - due to it being...duh...creatine
- No-Xplode - due to containing both creatine and strong stimulants
Many, many, many users.....aside from little snide little prats like you...anecdotally support the usefulness, and benefits of these products.
In terms of Mass FX, I'd like to direct your attention to the search button above you, where you'll find post after post detailing the benefits many members have found from taking Mass FX. In fact, I challenge you to find one Anabolic Xtreme product people haven't consistently benefited from.
Not true. EAS were not the first. It wasn't even the USA but Europe, then the UK then the US.
You also need to define 'benefit'. Many of the pump products do only what they say - give you a pump. That doesn't equate to bigger and better muscles.
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RE: Internet bulk suppliers or brands - Apr. 30 2008 22:03:58
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JohnKerr2
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I'm not the one desperately trying to flog snake oil to Muscle Talk members.
I'm the one with evidence, who uses what he sells.
That's not evidence.
That's not even close to evidence.
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RE: Internet bulk suppliers or brands - Apr. 30 2008 22:14:44
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I did a post on the subject of Creatine recently. The first 'brand' of creatine sold as a supp here in the UK was Ergomax C150. I also mentioned it was Roy Duval who brought it in. Originally in tea bag form it was being given to race horses (said bag being left in their water). I think that was the early to mid 80's. EAS etc began reinventing the wheel in the 90's.
I've been training since I was 15 (close to 29 years) and collected magazines and book since that time (4000+). Bill Phillips via EAS and Muscle Media 2000 magazine may have made you think he 'discovered' Creatine but it's simply not true. Even EAS was preceded by a company Bill had an interest in but did not own outright. Bill was a marketeer of the highest order but to state he sold creatine first... nah.
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RE: Internet bulk suppliers or brands - Apr. 30 2008 22:30:17
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Anthony Almada and Ed Byrd. MRI was the company I couldn't think of the name of. Spot on.
And it was a equities company (like the one that brought Maximuscle recently). I think he got a similar amount to what Weider got for his mags ($250m) with a figure of close to $300m ringing a bell.
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RE: Internet bulk suppliers or brands - May 1 2008 8:53:09
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'Branded' supplements have created an industry that bulk suppliers have moved into. Without the likes of Maximuscle, Muscletech, etc many people would not even consider taking supplements. They bring people into the industry via their marketing and have a funneling affect for other brands and bulk suppliers. I doubt there are many people who made there first ever supplement purchase from a bulk supplier (yes there will be some!).
Like mobster has mentioned, brands have to work in trade margins, where bulk suppliers dont, and therefore their margin on many items will be alot higher than you think.
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RE: Internet bulk suppliers or brands - May 1 2008 9:21:06
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will margins affect quality?
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RE: Internet bulk suppliers or brands - May 1 2008 9:38:53
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Mobster
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will margins affect quality?
At least not in an obvious way and not in the single ingredient products. As an example Creatine is relatively cheap to buy - retail and wholesale. There are grades. Typically 120 mesh - quite granular and considered low grade although as clean as any and 200 mesh. Also called micronised or ultra fine. Again as clean, in terms of purity and all things being equal, as the 'low grade' 120 mesh.
Another example would be volume against margin. If I sold a lot more than I do I'd accept a smaller margin but the product would remain identical.
It has been argued recently that price increases in milk proteins including whey will have affected margins and so companies either put up their prices, swallowed the loss or, which would be bad, changed the formula. Some mentioned they had and others did not. If a product changed and the price remained the same I'd want to double check it.
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