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Previously unsuccessful gym-goer wants to give it anoth... - Apr. 30 2008 17:35:35   
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Hi everyone,

I'm new to this forum, but not entirely new to bodybuilding. I've dabbed inexpertly in it for a long time, knowing plenty of theory but not actually putting very much of it into practice. While I actually am one of those people who annoys women by being able to eat and drink whatever I like without putting on weight, I've got to stop hiding behind that as an excuse for not getting any results from bodybuilding. Truth is, I've realised, it doesn't matter how fast my metabolism is - if I'm working out and eating properly, I should be seeing results.

So, about me. I'm 21 and 6'3", about 170lbs/77kg. I've not got a huge amount of body fat - when I was a teenager it was measured at about 6% and while it's a bit more than that now, if I tense my abs they're still pretty defined without any gym work at all. What I don't have, however, is much muscle. Saw a couple of photos of me the other day and realised I still look really skinny; I kinda expected to have filled out a lot more by the time I got into my twenties than I actually did.

I want to gain as much size and muscle mass as possible, as quickly as possible. I've tried this before, however. In the university holidays about a year ago I went to the gym three times a week for two months and worked like a demon with a personal trainer. I got noticably stronger but only marginally bigger, and I put on about 2lbs total I think. I was pretty disappointed at this and kinda gave up, because it had been an awful lot of work and I thought it was pointless to put myself through it for nothing. Now I realise that I must have been doing the nutrition wrong.

I'm coming to you guys for a decent gym programme and for nutrition ideas - once I've got both I'll start a training diary on the other section of this forum and get to it. I'll post my own ideas for you guys to look at in a couple of hours (unless anyone has something to reccommend for me in the meantime), once I've done some more research. As I'm not playing a great deal of contact sport at the moment, I'm not even particularly bothered about my physical strength - I just want to get big!

C

EDIT - forgot to mention something important, I've got a problem with my left shoulder that's a bit of a bitch. The ball in the ball and socket joint got a stress fracture or something when I was younger and healed up into a rugby-ball shape instead. This means I can't raise my left elbow laterally above my shoulder. I can raise it as high as I like forwards, so it actually took me a while to notice this, but the knock on effect is that I can't support a lot of weight with many shoulder exercises like the military press, and nor can I actually do standard squats - I can't actually rotate my left shoulder far enough back to grip the bar when its behind my neck. Obviously, this makes things a bit more complex...

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RE: Previously unsuccessful gym-goer wants to give it a... - Apr. 30 2008 18:10:58   
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first step is get over to the diet and nutrition section and post up your diet to get that sorted out. secondly get into the bodybuilding routines section and check the threads at the top for routine ideas one i would recommend is frankies 5 x 5 mass routine search the forum if you cant find it hope that helps any questions dont hesitate to ask.

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RE: Previously unsuccessful gym-goer wants to give it a... - Apr. 30 2008 18:30:22   
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Have a look at the articles here

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/articles-bodybuilding-beginners.aspx

and then put a plan together post the training up here and diet up in the nutrition section, we'll then suggest improvements

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RE: Previously unsuccessful gym-goer wants to give it a... - Apr. 30 2008 19:06:39   
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Okay, thanks for the replies so far. I've put together a training plan which is included below. I've gone for a mix of isolation and compound exercises because of the aforementioned shoulder problem - I'm not going to start doing barbell overhead lifts of any kind as my left arm is plenty strong until it gets into the problem area, at which point it instantly loses all strength. Please don't tell me that I need to include them in my program because no matter how awesome they are, dropping thirty kilos on my head is not going to be good for me and thus I'm going to steer clear of them for now.

Here goes then: 4 day split (Mon-Tues/Thurs-Fri), I'm going to try squats on the leg day because my local gym has a smith machine. I'm looking at 3x8 reps in all exercises except dips and back extensions, which will be to failure.



Monday - Chest/Biceps

Dumbbell Bench Press
Dumbbell Flyes
Dumbbell Incline Press
Bicep Curls
Chinups (underhand grip)


Tuesday - Legs

Squats
Leg Press
Hamstring Curl
Calf Raises


Thursday - Delts/Triceps

Dumbbell Overhead Press
Side Lateral Raises
Tricep Pulldown
Lying Triceps Press
Dips


Friday - Back/Traps
Shrugs
Back Extensions
Deadlift
Bent Over Barbell Row
Lat Pulldown


Does that look alright?


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RE: Previously unsuccessful gym-goer wants to give it a... - Apr. 30 2008 20:53:53   
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Looks totally fine mate.

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RE: Previously unsuccessful gym-goer wants to give it a... - May 1 2008 23:52:29   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: CTBaker

Hi everyone,

I'm new to this forum, but not entirely new to bodybuilding. I've dabbed inexpertly in it for a long time, knowing plenty of theory but not actually putting very much of it into practice. While I actually am one of those people who annoys women by being able to eat and drink whatever I like without putting on weight, I've got to stop hiding behind that as an excuse for not getting any results from bodybuilding. Truth is, I've realised, it doesn't matter how fast my metabolism is - if I'm working out and eating properly, I should be seeing results.

So, about me. I'm 21 and 6'3", about 170lbs/77kg. I've not got a huge amount of body fat - when I was a teenager it was measured at about 6% and while it's a bit more than that now, if I tense my abs they're still pretty defined without any gym work at all. What I don't have, however, is much muscle. Saw a couple of photos of me the other day and realised I still look really skinny; I kinda expected to have filled out a lot more by the time I got into my twenties than I actually did.

I want to gain as much size and muscle mass as possible, as quickly as possible. I've tried this before, however. In the university holidays about a year ago I went to the gym three times a week for two months and worked like a demon with a personal trainer. I got noticably stronger but only marginally bigger, and I put on about 2lbs total I think. I was pretty disappointed at this and kinda gave up, because it had been an awful lot of work and I thought it was pointless to put myself through it for nothing. Now I realise that I must have been doing the nutrition wrong.

I'm coming to you guys for a decent gym programme and for nutrition ideas - once I've got both I'll start a training diary on the other section of this forum and get to it. I'll post my own ideas for you guys to look at in a couple of hours (unless anyone has something to reccommend for me in the meantime), once I've done some more research. As I'm not playing a great deal of contact sport at the moment, I'm not even particularly bothered about my physical strength - I just want to get big!

C

EDIT - forgot to mention something important, I've got a problem with my left shoulder that's a bit of a bitch. The ball in the ball and socket joint got a stress fracture or something when I was younger and healed up into a rugby-ball shape instead. This means I can't raise my left elbow laterally above my shoulder. I can raise it as high as I like forwards, so it actually took me a while to notice this, but the knock on effect is that I can't support a lot of weight with many shoulder exercises like the military press, and nor can I actually do standard squats - I can't actually rotate my left shoulder far enough back to grip the bar when its behind my neck. Obviously, this makes things a bit more complex...


I read in "Prevention" magazine that if you have heel spurs and you take a little more calcium then necessary, this will help to dissolve the spur. In your case some calcium and magnesium may help your shoulder joint and throw in some Gluco-Chon-MSM tablets. Mind you, these are only suggestions.

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RE: Previously unsuccessful gym-goer wants to give it a... - May 2 2008 13:31:57   
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Does the routine you posted up have the exercises in the order you'll do them? If so a couple of amendments:

Monday - Chest&Biceps
Do chins before curls. If lifting BW and you've already fatigued your biceps, you're going to struggle to do many reps. If th eother way round you can simply use lighter dumbbells.


Tuesday - Legs
If holding the bar aggravates your shoulder, perhaps try Front Squats. I've found these to be better than Back Squats on the Smith Machine because the movement is more up and down with less flexion at the hip.


Thursday - Delts/Triceps
Dumbbell Overhead Press
Side Lateral Raises

Can you do these 2 exercises with your injury?

Do Dips first before the isolation exercises. Same reason as given for Chins above.


Friday - Back/Traps

Deadlifts first in the session.
Back extensions last - pre-fatiguing the lower back will mean difficulties with B-O Row.
If you find too much volume on this day, consider moving Shrugs to Shoulders day.


Other than that, nice, balanced, uncomplicated routine with a good mixture of compound and isolation exercises.

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RE: Previously unsuccessful gym-goer wants to give it a... - May 2 2008 21:45:06   
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Thanks for the replies, guys. Unfortunately my shoulder problem is a full-on growth deformity rather than just bone spurs getting in the way, so it's unlikely to change whatever supplements I might take. Thankfully it's not painful - I just can't physically rotate my shoulder into certain positions.

Monkcheese, I'll take your suggestions aboard. You were right about the chins - I managed a grand total of two per set when I trained yesterday. I'll shuffle things around as per your instructions. Helpfully enough, I can actually do both of the shoulder exercises you mentioned, provided I do the overhead dumbell press at a slight angle, so that shouldn't be a problem.

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