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RE: bodybuilding - Apr. 30 2008 22:08:15
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Papa Lazarou
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I'll comment here Hanna as soon as you start not weighting the questions with your (apparently negative) opinion. How can you look at the subject objectively when you clearly have a clear distain about a subject you seem to know nothing of. I apologise if i'm being a little direct here but you seem to have already made your mind up about the subject without a signifcant number of replies?
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RE: bodybuilding - Apr. 30 2008 22:12:01
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what you think about steroids
Given a negative interpritation by the meida, and the large number of uneduacted users who use them does not help...neither do events such as Chris Benoit's murder-suicide....I do however feel that they are benificial, and would have no qualms in using them when I have reached my natural limits.
why you do bodybuilding
Initially to get in shape and to get fit for the MMA Classes I had planned to start.....caught the bug and nipped the MMA idea in the bud (at least for the time being) have been dedicated to it ever since (Started in June last year)
Why do you feel the need to be bigger
Cause I love people calling me 'hench'  Cause I perscribe to the theory that bigger is better....I'd rather be big and musculer then big and fat...or skinny
Is bodybuilding a sport or dangerously becoming an obsession with young men
I Can't really answer TBH
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RE: bodybuilding - Apr. 30 2008 22:12:06
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what you think about steroids
I think they are very misunderstood. The general public slam steroid users yet deem canabis/cocaine use are the norm and perfectly acceptable on the whole. Steroid use has a bag image because a lot of steroid users aren't very clued up and the media are very quick to jump in and blame random incidents on steroid use.
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why you do bodybuilding
For me, I'd say 25% is the good health, 25% is the improved sporting/atheletic performance, 50% vanity. Despite what girlie gossip magazines say, in my experience, most or certainly a large majority of women prefer a bigger man. I'm not talking about an atypical stage-condition bodybuilder that the minds-eye conjours up, but the same way more men like women with a curvy, feminine figure, women like men with strong, masculine figures. Its built into us.
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Why do you feel the need to be bigger
I wouldn't say I need to feel bigger, I'd say I want to be bigger as I enjoy the training and in what can only be a narcistic way, I like the way training and eating right changes the way I look.
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Is bodybuilding a sport or dangerously becoming an obsession with young men
Perhaps. It only becomes dangerous (IMO of course) when people develop severe eating disorders, abuse drugs, or develop serious self-image problems. I think cases like these linked to bodybuilding are very few and far between. I think the female obsession with diets, diet pills and the desire to be very skinny is much more dangerous and much more widespread.
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RE: bodybuilding - Apr. 30 2008 22:16:29
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I'll comment here Hanna as soon as you start not weighting the questions with your (apparently negative) opinion. How can you look at the subject objectively when you clearly have a clear distain about a subject you seem to know nothing of. I apologise if i'm being a little direct here but you seem to have already made your mind up about the subject without a signifcant number of replies?
Cheers mate what i would have like to say but im not to great with words. 
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RE: bodybuilding - Apr. 30 2008 22:17:34
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thats exaclty the attitude i hate negativity and competivness definitlya negative side to body buliding always putting others done if oyu just want to criticise my work then dont bother writing to me by al means give me constructive criticism but dont put down others
Well said!
Well said? I think its silly reply to a message that was clearly misinterpreted.
I agree with Papa here, it seems you are seeking validation for your own, already negative opinions, and by using this approach is goading us into "negative" responses that will do nothing but confirm in your own mind that BBing is bad. Apologies if I'm off the mark.
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RE: bodybuilding - Apr. 30 2008 22:24:54
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I want to know
what you think about steroids
Always thought id never do them due to the side effects and dangers that i once percieved. Now that I have much more knowledge on them and have used them my opinion has most definitely changed. I feel that they are a means to an end and if used correctly they are not as dangerous as any recreational drug including Tobacco and Alcohol. I have had enough run ins with alcohol personally to know how much trouble it can cause. gives me a great feeling of wellbeing.
why you do bodybuilding
I was bullied about being the small guy at school so i took it up. then i hurt my back and stopped. I wanted to play rugby and didnt think i was big enough so i started training again. Now however, i do it cos it makes me feel good and keeps me healthy.
It is possibly the most healthy sporting lifestyle with good eating habits, rest and hard trainining
Why do you feel the need to be bigger
Simple- I feel better when i'm bigger
Is bodybuilding a sport or dangerously becoming an obsession with young men
You have got to remember that there is a difference between a healthy obsession and a dangerous addiction.
I dont feel it is. Bodybuilding is not the dangerous thing- body image is. The bodybuilding community are not the people who cause young men to become dangerously obsessed with there image it is the media. Ever looked at a perfume, car, or any other kind of ad? the men are always Good looking and 'perfect'
It is not only women who can become insecure with the constant bombardment of images of models that the public have to endure
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RE: bodybuilding - Apr. 30 2008 22:26:15
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Also Degree in Photography???
Labour are really scraping the barrel trying to get 50% into university
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RE: bodybuilding - Apr. 30 2008 22:35:18
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Labour are really scraping the barrel trying to get 50% into university
BURN!!!
Sorry that was out of order
but still, he makes a valid point, what is with all these crazy degree's out there noadays.....Youth Justice anyone??
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RE: bodybuilding - Apr. 30 2008 22:38:42
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Labour are really scraping the barrel trying to get 50% into university
No need to be derogatory to someone's chosen of field of study mate. 
Hannah, i'm surprised this has got past an ethics committee to be honest. i agree with what papa lazarou has said, you are bringing an already negative and assumptive opinion to the table, i tried to study steroid use for my dissertation from a health point of view, i didnt even get to the ethics committee down to the nature of it.
I can see your slant on it, being the self conscious, bigger is never big enough attitude but it doesnt seem you have portrayed or even considered the bigger picture of it just yet.
i myself am very self conscious of my body, i use steroids to get bigger as the bigger i get the better i feel. i think that will be the case for most people, with that in mind though there wont be many that will ever be truly happy with their size and condition.
condition is something you have yet to mention, its a big part of the sport too.
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RE: bodybuilding - Apr. 30 2008 22:41:11
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what you think about steroids
I myself do not take steroids and never will. I do not really like the idea of taking steroids for the soul purpose of getting bigger to help raise the persons self estime. Although they may not have survier negative effects there will always be some sides. As people have already stated, if you are insecure then you are insecure, becoming huge wont change this as you will always want to be that bit bigger. I am more open to the idea of their use with people who want strength/size improvements for other purposses such as being in the army, martial artists, powerlifters, strongmen and of course body builders.
This is just my opionion. I am not claiming to know a great deal about the sides or problems they may or may not cause. I just think they are the answer to a problem that cannot be asnwered by size alone. It goes deeper than that.
why you do bodybuilding
If I'm honest I started because I wanted to be able to smack the next person that tried mug me and keep smacking them till they could no longer move. I then realized that this was silly idea as it didn't matter how big I got, a knife could be the end of me. Growing up I was always very quick and physical. Great at bodyweight exercises and swam at quite a high level, training five times a week. I quit swimming/football/rugby and let myself go. I didn't like the fact that people I used to be faster, stronger better looking than were now passing me. So I decided to start lifting weights. I did a months research before joining gym as I wanted to know my stuff and not feel like an idiot. I now have a size that I am pretty happy with, proportion are what gets me most atm as I think my chest is too big and my shoulders are too small. I train for strength now as I want to get back into martial arts again properly.
Why do you feel the need to be bigger
I don't feel I need to get that much bigger overall, just proportionate and ALOT stronger. I would like to compete in powerlifting comps in the future. My bench is good enough to qualify, working on squats and deads.
Is bodybuilding a sport or dangerously becoming an obsession with young men
For me it only seen as an obsession because it is a whole lifestyle. I do not think it is obsessive that I am pissed off if I miss a meal. I know I would be that much better off if I hadn't and if I don't find myself getting pissed off after missing one whats to stop me doing again and again. I will get no where like this. You need to be disaplined to suceed and become great at anything.
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RE: bodybuilding - Apr. 30 2008 22:42:38
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I dont do steroids and doubt that i ever will,im not that desperate to be bigger,as i dont want to compete or anything.
I personally workout to keep me in good shape and to have the body i want,also to keep in good health because i feel,that i feel much better when im progressing my physique,i also do it as a hobby and to keep me occupied on something and to have goals.
Its my way of sport as i dont play any other sports very much no more.
I only feel insecure if im not happy with myself at the current time,as regards ive gained a little extra fat and i feel down because of this,or i have overtrained and become catabolic so i cannot train for a while,these are the things in bodybuilding that make me feel insecure.
Other than that im usually happy with the way i look,but then while im out i always seem to look in mirrors while in the toilets and make sure my hair looks how i want it.
Ive heard this means your insecure.So maybe i am.
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RE: bodybuilding - Apr. 30 2008 22:50:48
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Labour are really scraping the barrel trying to get 50% into university
BURN!!!
Sorry that was out of order
but still, he makes a valid point, what is with all these crazy degree's out there noadays.....Youth Justice anyone??
Admittedly out of order but i will not retract.
I was using it as a way of showing people that there are alot more things to be insecure about than just body image.
Personally i am extremely insecure about my employment prospects on graduation and other things.
I hate it when people say that bodybuilding is a sport only taken up by those with insecurities, this is not true and there are a great deal of other things that people can be insecure about.
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RE: bodybuilding - Apr. 30 2008 22:55:21
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firstly i would like to say you are correct i dont know much about bodybuilding, i am referring in my proect to those who do bodybuilding for a hobbie not pros perhaps i should have stated this, i think bodybuilding is a great sport, and am interested in pursuing it myself, i by no means am critising anyway, but there are some bodybuilders who i know who have become insecure beacuse of the media steriods etc and this is what i am trying to put across, i dont necessarily think steriods are wrong i just am concerned for those (and i know there are) youngsters whoa re injecting steriods without having done any research and this is whats worrying, sorry if i have caused any offence, as for those critising my degree it is ba hons photogrpahy and digital media and is classified as a fine art degree it is below the belt to criticise someones chose field
for those who have taken the time to answer my questions i am extreemly greatful
My view could be regarded as objectve of course as its close to me but i am only talking through my experience and i appreciate my view is liek a needle in a hastack lol
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RE: bodybuilding - Apr. 30 2008 22:58:45
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what you think about steroids
Originally was very wary of them due to the usual stigma and media hype surrounding them, but for a good couple of years now have been totally open minded and even very slightly educated about them. Even contemplated(ing) a cycle or two myself.
why you do bodybuilding
I don't really bodybuild. I lift weights primarily to be stronger than average, secondly to look better than average. Neither of which I am lol.
Why do you feel the need to be bigger
I dont really, see above.
Is bodybuilding a sport or dangerously becoming an obsession with young men
Nope, as someone on here once said there are far more ex bodybuilders out there than people who are still plugging away.
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RE: bodybuilding - Apr. 30 2008 23:02:00
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firstly i would like to say you are correct i dont know much about bodybuilding, i am referring in my proect to those who do bodybuilding for a hobbie not pros perhaps i should have stated this, i think bodybuilding is a great sport, and am interested in pursuing it myself, i by no means am critising anyway, but there are some bodybuilders who i know who have become insecure beacuse of the media steriods etc and this is what i am trying to put across, i dont necessarily think steriods are wrong i just am concerned for those (and i know there are) youngsters whoa re injecting steriods without having done any research and this is whats worrying, sorry if i have caused any offence, as for those critising my degree it is ba hons photogrpahy and digital media and is classified as a fine art degree it is below the belt to criticise someones chose field
for those who have taken the time to answer my questions i am extreemly greatful
My view could be regarded as objectve of course as its close to me but i am only talking through my experience and i appreciate my view is liek a needle in a hastack lol
Ask your self are they really insecure as a result of bodybuilding or have they always been that way.
Inscure because they take steriods i dont quite get that part?
Theres a far greather amount of "youngsters" doing coke, e's and H at the weekend than roids, granted its not ideal but is a lesser of the evils in this world.
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RE: bodybuilding - Apr. 30 2008 23:07:17
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firstly i would like to say you are correct i dont know much about bodybuilding, i am referring in my proect to those who do bodybuilding for a hobbie not pros perhaps i should have stated this, i think bodybuilding is a great sport, and am interested in pursuing it myself, i by no means am critising anyway, but there are some bodybuilders who i know who have become insecure beacuse of the media steriods etc and this is what i am trying to put across, i dont necessarily think steriods are wrong i just am concerned for those (and i know there are) youngsters whoa re injecting steriods without having done any research and this is whats worrying, sorry if i have caused any offence, as for those critising my degree it is ba hons photogrpahy and digital media and is classified as a fine art degree it is below the belt to criticise someones chose field
for those who have taken the time to answer my questions i am extreemly greatful
My view could be regarded as objectve of course as its close to me but i am only talking through my experience and i appreciate my view is liek a needle in a hastack lol
Ask your self are they really insecure as a result of bodybuilding or have they always been that way.
Inscure because they take steriods i dont quite get that part?
Theres a far greather amount of "youngsters" doing coke, e's and H at the weekend than roids, granted its not ideal but is a lesser of the evils in this world.
well put, i don't juice currently but after 3 years of training and dieting that have lead to great strength, fitness, health and aesthetic gains i fully inteld to further this with AAS.
tobacco, alcohol alone are far far more harmful and readily abused (with no predujice, praised even) than steroids
let alone marijuana and the whole host of widely used recreational drugs.
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RE: bodybuilding - Apr. 30 2008 23:08:29
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Another good point is that there IIRC around 200,000 body builders in the UK.
The UK population is around 60-65 million. So in the grand schemes, we are a small dot in the sea to the rest of the UK. In comparison there is around 3.9 million users of class A to C drugs (source BSC data 2002/2003). So now, which is the worst here? Is it one that when used sensibly will give pleasing muscular gains, improvement of self image and confidence or ones that give a buzz for a short while and means funding dealers with many other crimial connections (such as human trafficing, prostitution etc). Surely hear we have a group of individuals that have numerous problems, which may include body image problems, amongst many others that they are trying to bury.
Body image is related to lots of things, and lots people have body image problems. Indeed 5% of the population is thought to have body image problems and it is thought that up to half of anorexics also suffer from bulimia and some 40% of bulimics are reported to have a history of anorexia. 10% of suffers are thought to die because of complications caused by these disorders. (source The Eating Disorders Association).
You may also want to have a watch of this to give you more of a balanced view http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=z0LEj8IPHGU
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RE: bodybuilding - Apr. 30 2008 23:14:24
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I completly agree there are far bigger problems in the youth culture at least with streiods youa re achieving something as a pose to coke ecsatsy which don't. From the people i have interviewed who have taken steriods many of them have become insecure as a result, not from the bodybuilding itself but from the steriods, what im trying to show as well is its not only women who have are obsessed with their image and weight, bodybuilding or weight training is becoming more popular, and whilst for some it is an excellent way of keeping fit and a grwta lifestyle for some of the people it can be a ner ending battle to saty big much like anorexia, i.m not saying bodybuilding causes this im saying in some cases theres can be a negative side to weight training thanks
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RE: bodybuilding - Apr. 30 2008 23:16:31
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good post papa.
bodybuilding = extemely healthy diet, cardiovascular exercise, resistence training... thats just a healthy lifestyle imo. especially for youngsters
the rest of the population of youngsters are busy shovelling down ****ty junk food whilst sitting on the sofa before going out binge drinking and experimenting with reccy drugs destroying their bodies and relying in the NHS to pick up the pieces.
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RE: bodybuilding - Apr. 30 2008 23:18:21
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Why is it the steroids that have made them insecure? Do all anorexics become insecure because they have taken steroids? Of course not!
Please supply data that shows a link, linking steroid use to body image issues. Indeed surely people who begin using steroids will have the issues before they used them hence the use to improve their bodies?
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