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RE: bodybuilding - Apr. 30 2008 23:20:29
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hannahnanji
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there are some realy interesting points being made here and its nice to see different perpectives its agood thing that so many yougsters are off the streets and doing sports its a shame that there are a small percentage who are just taking sterios not training or eating properly and not even knowing how to inject properly in my town alone there are enough
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RE: bodybuilding - Apr. 30 2008 23:20:30
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Lastly imo there is never just one factor affecting someone’s mental health, these people tend to have a whole host of problems that are unresolved and down to many different reasons and to put it down solely to bodybuilding is very naive.
Steriods dont cause insecurities , some people take steriods in an attempt to better themselves and take away there insecurity, unforchunally this does not always work and new insercurities appear inplace.
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RE: bodybuilding - Apr. 30 2008 23:23:57
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i have come across many many people in my life who are insecure about their bodies to varying degrees, some very much so. none of these people did gear.
though i am sure there are insecure steroid users out there as papa says to suggest i link is highly dubious, they were almost certainly insecure before doing gear and probably will be long after unless they can tackle the uunderlying cause of their insecurites
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RE: bodybuilding - Apr. 30 2008 23:25:31
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this is true but three close friends who have been confidenat always shown there body off and sfter taking steriods have thought they were small and wouldnt let anyone see their bodies i know this is a smal percentage but it does exist
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RE: bodybuilding - Apr. 30 2008 23:27:33
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this is true but three close friends who have been confidenat always shown there body off and sfter taking steriods have thought they were small and wouldnt let anyone see their bodies i know this is a smal percentage but it does exist
Are you sure the steriods they have taken didnt cause gyno or acne??
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RE: bodybuilding - Apr. 30 2008 23:29:49
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this is true but three close friends who have been confidenat always shown there body off and sfter taking steriods have thought they were small and wouldnt let anyone see their bodies i know this is a smal percentage but it does exist
Are you sure the steriods they have taken didnt cause gyno or acne??
just what i was going to say.
i agree there are many youngsters (and adults) out there who are using gear with little to know knowledge about how to use them correctly, i'm talking incorect doses, no PCTs, liver support, drinking on oral cycles etc. etc. think this is a big probem ad a reason why sites like this are invaluble
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RE: bodybuilding - Apr. 30 2008 23:30:01
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the rest of the population of youngsters are busy shovelling down ****ty junk food whilst sitting on the sofa before going out binge drinking and experimenting with reccy drugs destroying their bodies and relying in the NHS to pick up the pieces.
Interesting you post this. Essentially I view people who look down on body building are those that do things in the norms of society. These people smoke (which kills 50% of its users, around 86,500 smokers a year; Source Government stats 2005) and booze (which aids the result that 90% of people over 40 have heart disease and that around 6,250 people die from the effects of booze, excluding accidents, same source as smokers).
YET the small numbers of body builders are looked down upon by these users of the socially accepted users of essentially what are chemicals used to give pleasure (smoking contains nictotine that is a toxin, alcohol is again a poison and damages the liver). What is the difference other than smokers/drinkers are socially accepted? What really is the difference? Bar the fact with steroids its far more difficult to damage yourself when compared to the above two!
Incidentally, can you show me any data that shows deaths from bodybuilding and steroid use? I think you'll find its very hard to come by!
What is the source of information that links body building to these serious body image disorders you discuss?
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RE: bodybuilding - Apr. 30 2008 23:32:22
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gyno? acne yes as well as insecurity parinoia and agression, i think we ull have to agree to disagree yes many people are insecure im trying to show its not just women who have bodies issues its men to, its been diagnosed as a new potential disorder muscle dysmorphia
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RE: bodybuilding - Apr. 30 2008 23:36:30
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gyno? acne yes as well as insecurity parinoia and agression, i think we ull have to agree to disagree yes many people are insecure im trying to show its not just women who have bodies issues its men to, its been diagnosed as a new potential disorder muscle dysmorphia
Its hardly new men have always had just as many body issues as women.
I would say your friends are have insercurities as a result of acne, not as a result of the steriods themselves.
Gyno - man boobs.
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RE: bodybuilding - Apr. 30 2008 23:36:38
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excellent stats there papa.
at least AAS users are taking part in a lifestyle of healthy diet and exercise
what exactly are smokers, drinkers and drug users doing?
"ooh i need to go and do a 5 mile run to complement my lager cycle, yeah i'm cycling it with lambert & butler and sausage rolls"
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RE: bodybuilding - Apr. 30 2008 23:39:31
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gyno? acne yes as well as insecurity parinoia and agression, i think we ull have to agree to disagree yes many people are insecure im trying to show its not just women who have bodies issues its men to, its been diagnosed as a new potential disorder muscle dysmorphia
correct, but what do steroids have to do with this?
do you have to use AAS to develop muscle dysmorphia?
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RE: bodybuilding - Apr. 30 2008 23:39:56
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Hannah. TBH, I do have bodydismorphia. But I have had it for years. I trained for years naturally and didnt achieve the results I wanted. I've now used steroids and am very close to achieving my goals.
FWIW 3 of my long term ex's have had body issues. One was annorexic and bulimic, one was bulimic and my current gf had eating issues (was afraid of being sick). 2 of them hit around 6 stone at around 5 and a bit foot tall. I think whilst there is some simularities to people suffering the body image issues, in my experience there are MANY more women then men with body issues. Many! And there are stats available all over the shop backing this up.
TBH the whole subject smacks to me that you are trying to prove to your other half that men are as bad as women with body issues. I dont think this is the case and you dont have the data to back it up, either.
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RE: bodybuilding - Apr. 30 2008 23:40:16
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www.eatingdisorderonline.com anorexis athletica signs www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-muscle-dysmorphia
Like i said im a beginner to all this it just interest me, i agree class a drugs and smoking r worst, but admitley steriods when used incorecctly are dangerous especially without taking precautions to protect the liver etc surely you must agree that people who dont know what they are doing injecting themsleves is dangerous im nt blaming bodybuilding im blaming media hype steriods etc
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RE: bodybuilding - Apr. 30 2008 23:43:34
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Do you have stats showing that steroids are dangerous and that it was the steroids that caused the damage or deaths? I'm not saying there aren't any, i'm saying your statement is based one what exactly? What kind of proof do you have on the dangers of steroids? Any studies or sources?
It seems you have information gained from the media and people you know rather than based on anything...
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RE: bodybuilding - Apr. 30 2008 23:45:56
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TBH the whole subject smacks to me that you are trying to prove to your other half that men are as bad as women with body issues. I dont think this is the case and you dont have the data to back it up, either.
I think men are just as prone to have body issues as women mate.
(steriods dont make a blind bit of differance on it though, i meen a shot of prop and im not suddenly going to start breaking down over my odd shaped ears or grey teeth  )
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RE: bodybuilding - Apr. 30 2008 23:46:10
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Well why did I get into bodybuilding?
Tbh I have alot of spare time, which I do nothing with. I love the order and consistency which goes with bodybuilding, in terms of diet and training.
Also- girls like big guys :)
Lastly steroids- yes, I was tempted, and I still will be, but I have educated myself on the matter and decided it would not be at all a wise decision for someone of my age(16). I admit I have a friend who takes steroids, he has no side effects, and is massive. It does seem tempting, but one must resist!
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RE: bodybuilding - Apr. 30 2008 23:46:59
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Im not saying men or women are worse just that both have issues, i didnt do this to cause arguments just to broaden my knowlege fromt he people i have interviewed they have said that steriods made them feel insecure and that they werent big enough i am not saying you have to take steriods to get this disorder just it can be a contributing factor. I am just documeting one bodybuilders life his routine, and wanted to see others persepctives i am not an expert and clearly some of you in here dont want to help just want to criticise what i am doing like with anything there are negative aspects i am not saying bodybuilding is bad i just havent seen much documenatation of it and it interests me you are all experts compared to me i have never denied that
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RE: bodybuilding - Apr. 30 2008 23:48:18
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Well why did I get into bodybuilding?
Tbh I have alot of spare time, which I do nothing with. I love the order and consistency which goes with bodybuilding, in terms of diet and training.
Also- girls like big guys :)
Lastly steroids- yes, I was tempted, and I still will be, but I have educated myself on the matter and decided it would not be at all a wise decision for someone of my age(16). I admit I have a friend who takes steroids, he has no side effects, and is massive. It does seem tempting, but one must resist!
most senible 16 year old i have encountered in a while!
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RE: bodybuilding - Apr. 30 2008 23:49:58
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Im not saying men or women are worse just that both have issues, i didnt do this to cause arguments just to broaden my knowlege fromt he people i have interviewed they have said that steriods made them feel insecure and that they werent big enough i am not saying you have to take steriods to get this disorder just it can be a contributing factor. I am just documeting one bodybuilders life his routine, and wanted to see others persepctives i am not an expert and clearly some of you in here dont want to help just want to criticise what i am doing like with anything there are negative aspects i am not saying bodybuilding is bad i just havent seen much documenatation of it and it interests me you are all experts compared to me i have never denied that
How can steriods be a direct contributing factor.
The side effects of steriods may produce undesirable result that can cause insecurities but you dont just take steriods and become insecure.
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RE: bodybuilding - Apr. 30 2008 23:51:29
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a very sensible response its a shame all sixteen year olds cnt show the same maturity
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