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RE: bodybuilding - Apr. 30 2008 23:52:47
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Papa Lazarou
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TBH the whole subject smacks to me that you are trying to prove to your other half that men are as bad as women with body issues. I dont think this is the case and you dont have the data to back it up, either.
I think men are just as prone to have body issues as women mate.
Agreed. But IMO there will be far more women with these issues.
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RE: bodybuilding - Apr. 30 2008 23:55:32
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a very sensible response its a shame all sixteen year olds cnt show the same maturity
Tbh it is a sensible reponse but i feel you cannot make comments regarding steriod use as you are clearly uninformed and uneducated on the way steriods work.
*Sorry if i am coming across harsh hannah, i just think you cant pass comment/ judgment untill uve done some solid reading up on the functions of steriods, the pros and cons.
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RE: bodybuilding - May 1 2008 0:05:32
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firstly i would like to say you are correct i dont know much about bodybuilding, i am referring in my proect to those who do bodybuilding for a hobbie not pros perhaps i should have stated this, i think bodybuilding is a great sport, and am interested in pursuing it myself, i by no means am critising anyway, but there are some bodybuilders who i know who have become insecure beacuse of the media steriods etc and this is what i am trying to put across, i dont necessarily think steriods are wrong i just am concerned for those (and i know there are) youngsters whoa re injecting steriods without having done any research and this is whats worrying, sorry if i have caused any offence, as for those critising my degree it is ba hons photogrpahy and digital media and is classified as a fine art degree it is below the belt to criticise someones chose field
for those who have taken the time to answer my questions i am extreemly greatful
My view could be regarded as objectve of course as its close to me but i am only talking through my experience and i appreciate my view is liek a needle in a hastack lol
Firstly you have to avoid the idea of insecurity being constrained to bodybuilding. Bodybuilding does not build insecurity, life builds those with people's inability to fully quantify what is good and what is bad within themselves. It is life experience that indicates a person mental state, it is how, or what the individual strives to achieve or make better which is more appropriate to hypothesise a persons mental state.
To simply state that bodybuilding, media and steroids builds insecurities is the wrong statement of arguement, you are already drawing a conclusion to a state of mind that you have no fore thought on. Someone is insecure, therefore simple answer is he is a bodybuilder, he uses steroids and never satisfied!!
I think the better ideal is to take a look at what makes him/her achieve. Bodybuilding has goals and sets individual structure, because many do not have these personal ideals as to what they would like to achieve or ultimatley look like, they see it as not normal, or in essence being insecure with ones self image. Not entirely correct on many levels, I suspect most people train purely because they like the buzz, they like the atmosphere and ultimately its a healthy activity. Once you enjoy something you progress, you set goals and you try to aim for them - if you do not fully achieve that goal, you find negativity about yourself, which to many can be perceived as an insecurity.
I like to draw, am I ever happy with any of my pictures, no, there is always room for improvement - same with my body, its a work of art that is continually being resculpted and improved.
As for kids injecting steroids, that is nothing to do with insecurity, its about the quick fix - the 'bigger, better, faster, more' mentality we are instilling into todays kids - you can have it all today, why wait till tomorrow. That is the insecurity we have to tackle, its a culture that is gaining faster and faster momentum. Everyone is a voyeur in that they look at what they want and they want the quick route to getting there, no one wants to work for it and certainly not have to pay for it. Look inwards, bodybuilding does not make people insecure, if the insecurity was already there it may just get highlighted but ultimately you do not need to have big muscles to be insecure.
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RE: bodybuilding - May 1 2008 0:06:35
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Good post 
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RE: bodybuilding - May 1 2008 0:09:43
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Nice post mate.
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RE: bodybuilding - May 1 2008 0:19:05
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its late and havent read most of this thread but ill post for your research help i dont know lol
my veiw on steriods are that its cool if you want to use them but i myself want to be natural i dont know alot about them,
why do i do it, and being a sport? to me its not a sport but regaurding competeing it is, i dont compete and never will i just do it cus i want to be bigger, and to build my body as its called.
i want to be bigger just its more manly more attractive than being skinny more be better at sport and can look after myself better i guess
insecure? no not atall i wear flashy shirts etc i dont have a problem with getting flesh out in public im actuly vein i guess.
i am obbsessed i suppose yeah lol
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RE: bodybuilding - May 1 2008 0:31:23
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excellent post peagreen. what would do without the more eloquent members such as yourself 
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RE: bodybuilding - May 1 2008 0:35:50
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spot on post peagreen.
I've been bodybuilding for some years now. I've been very dedicated for a few years now and I'm hoping this summer, once I finish cutting I'll be very close (I hope) to my ideal look.
I was very very skinny when I started, although I can't say I was too insecure. I just wanted better abs and bigger arms to make it easier to pull.
As I've progressed I've started to take things more seriously. While I was an undergrad I'd go out and get drunk a couple times a week so it was impossible to be strict. Now I've stayed on at uni to do a PhD and most of my friends have left, I drink rarely and have transformed it into a second job.
I find it's a great release from my PhD, as well as a hobbie.
From what I gather (maybe I've read the posts wrong) but you're trying to draw similarities between insecure women that suffer from eating disorders and men that go to the gym and take steriods to get the body they want (I don't do steriods b.t.w).
I feel that the problem with young girls trying to get their 'dream' body, that's often very skinny (skinnier than their genetics will allow) and often big breasts is that they're chasing an impossible (as well as unhealthy) dream.
I personally feel that virtually anyone can have a body like on the cover of men's health (not to say that's what everyone wants!) with a lot of hard work (and it'll be harder for some). and if you fall short of that dream, as a man you still land in a good place.
I can only speak for myself, but I honestly feel amazing most of the time and I really like my body.
perhaps at the start of bodybuilding there is some insecurity but that soon goes, it's less a feeling of insecurity and more of one of wanting more.
Like I said I like my body a lot, but I could like it even more and I'm enjoying watching it change, I'm enjoying making it change, I like the attention women give me, I like talking to people at the gym and working as a team with like minded people, helping create a fun environment, discussing ideas and techniques. Most importantly I like feeling happy. I can honestly say that taking up the gym was the best decision I've ever made.
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RE: bodybuilding - May 1 2008 1:55:48
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I havent read the thread properly yet. I think that theres a massive divide between bodybuilding and weighttraining. Weight training is more casual. Bodybuilding is more tailored and structured. A weight trainer generally adopts it has a part of his lifestyle. A bodybuilder generally builds his lifestyle around training. I think generally speaking bodybuilder types are very insecure, I mean you would have to be to tirelessly persue a physqiue of what you think is the ideal way to look. Weight trainers are generally less concerned with their physique in relation to others. They are not so fixated on measurements. They have a more casual approach
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RE: bodybuilding - May 1 2008 12:27:29
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I want to know
what you think about steroids
They have upsides and downsides. Physically mostly up, Mentally mostly down
why you do bodybuilding
To try and look better, improve self confidence, something to aim for and work at, gives me an enjoyable way to occupy my time which doesn't necessitate wasting your life and money at a pub, meet friends & foreigners,
Why do you feel the need to be bigger
I don't feel the need to be bigger, I feel the need to be leaner. I get a kick out of being bigger and getting bigger though. Much like some people get a buzz from being able to sprint faster than their rivals
Is bodybuilding a sport or dangerously becoming an obsession with young men
Bodybuilding is a sport.
What most young men are doing is not bodybuilding, what they are practising is a dangerous obessesion, for example - trying to look like 50Cent or the current popular music or film star.
One could equate it to driving. Cars are useful and safe when driven correctly. Mostly they are used for transportation. But for a lot of young men, they are just another opportunity to show off, gain respect etc.
Its not the usage, its the abusage which causes the problems
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RE: bodybuilding - May 1 2008 12:37:37
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haven't read all the replies but in answer to the questions on the first page:
what you think about steroids- I see why people use them and have been tempted but the health risks, albeit small are enough to put me off.
I wanna hve kids one day.
Why do you feel the need to be bigger-
I want to be the best I can be: physically, mentally and spiritually.
I started it to be more attractive. i associated being skinny with being unacxtractive and so trained to look better. it gave me more confidence, strength and changed people's perspective of me.
It doesn't make people insecure, if anything, for me it was the cure for my insecurities. Your BF is probably insecure anyway so he weight trains to make himself feel better.
Is bodybuilding a sport or dangerously becoming an obsession with young men.
It is a sport. It can become obsessional but so can any sport, hobby, or lifestyle choice.
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RE: bodybuilding - May 1 2008 13:07:00
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Another female point of view here. I am a recreational trainer and have no desires to compete. I, like most women, struggle with what I would call a "normal" or "average" amount of insecureties.
I do think that a lot of people turn to bodybuilding because of their inseurities - but I do not think it "causes" them as such. Perhaps us involved in the sport end up with more of a focus on our bodies so it appears that we are more insecure.
I know of guys who look good, and are completely secure in themselves and won't take off their tops as most people will assume that they are arrogant. Some people don't like attention - not taking your top off is not a sign that you are insecure.
I do have to agree Hannah that you seem to be coming at this from a certain angle - that you already have your mind made up to a certain degree.
People involved in bodybuilding are faced most days with stereotypes, comments, assumptions etc etc. To come onto a forum with some negative preconceptions is somewhat unfair if you want an open and honest response.
In answer to your questions:
What do you think about steroids - Each to their own. But I think they should be researched better before people decide to use, or to comment on others' use
Why do you do bodybuilding - It is my chosen form of regular exercise, provides me with stress relief and more confidence in myself, and as said in another post, I sort of like to be different
Why do you feel the need to be bigger - I don't feel the need to be bigger, nor do I want to be. I lift weights with a routine that suits my goals
Is bodybuilding a sport or dangerously becoming an obsession with young men - Bodybuilding is a sport and a hobby. In can become an obsession, but so can any other pasttime.
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RE: bodybuilding - May 1 2008 13:34:13
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what you think about steroids I don't use steroids, but I do find them very interesting. There use is very much up to the individual.
why you do bodybuilding I enjoy training and find is very satisfying. Both my mood and outlook on life is much more positive as a result.
Why do you feel the need to be bigger I have no need to get bigger.
Is bodybuilding a sport or dangerously becoming an obsession with young men It's a sport. The numbers who become 'dangerously' obessed would be no more or less than those who get dangerously obessed with golf.
insecurities Weight training in general (incl bodybuilding) is great tool for overcomming insecurities imo. I would not regard it as a cause
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RE: bodybuilding - May 1 2008 13:37:37
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there are some realy interesting points being made here and its nice to see different perpectives its agood thing that so many yougsters are off the streets and doing sports its a shame that there are a small percentage who are just taking sterios not training or eating properly and not even knowing how to inject properly in my town alone there are enough
Something you don't seem to be aware is that many youngsters are "told to take steroid" by steroid dealers who only interest is to make money: these youngsters are not the ones to blame...
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RE: bodybuilding - May 1 2008 14:51:26
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and why recently bodybuiding in young men has become so popular.
Yesterday I walked past Gap Clothing store and the whole front window had a close up image of a teenagers head and just his flexed arm with oversized, developed bicep. I hadent seen such an image like that before and I thought it quite a powerful indicator of the current situation. Gap are highly influential regarding tapping into mainstream current trends teenagers adopt.
Whether part of initial cause or not, if media see it as a trend and therefore a way of attracting teenagers' money, you can expect the influential to capitalise on that image, then the media will be a main cause for its continuation.
The fact you have been asked to do a study may be a strong indicator that this has now become a real mainstream issue.
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RE: bodybuilding - May 1 2008 15:02:43
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what you think about steroids I think they are an excellent aid to a good training and diet programme.
Why do you feel the need to be bigger I hate the weedy look, feel healthier/stronger, more confident.
Is bodybuilding a sport or dangerously becoming an obsession with young men A sport, I think more boys are obsessed with football.
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RE: bodybuilding - May 1 2008 16:02:31
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what you think about steroids
why you do bodybuilding
Why do you feel the need to be bigger
Is bodybuilding a sport or dangerously becoming an obsession with young men
STEROIDS ARE NOT THEY EVIL OR MAGICAL THING THAT THEY ARE PERCIEVED TO BE ,they are just the cement and so many other factors are the bricks
i bodybuild because i love everything about the sport and find it fascinating ,its something thats in your blood like many sports etc
because i want to be the best that i can be and not be the norm ,i want to be different from the typical man ,a normal /thin phisique actually repulses me and i have a fear of ever lookin that way
it is a sport and can be as adictive/obsessive as any other sport/hobby etc ,personally i am obsessed and find it hard to focus on other aspects of life ,thats me being honest and is the way i feel .
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RE: bodybuilding - May 1 2008 16:46:02
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ask about bodybuilding and the lifestyle, and how it affects people that follow it,
but why do you keep brining everything back to steroids? this is a tiny part, and its annoying me how you mention it in every question or phrase. if this is some kind of nagative thing about how steroids affect peoples self view, snuck in under some false pretence about an interest in the lifestyle as a whole, then do us all a favour and find something you know about to do a project on.
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RE: bodybuilding - May 1 2008 17:44:16
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As I said Daz. She needs to step back if she wants to be objective on it.
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RE: bodybuilding - May 1 2008 20:13:51
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Incidently Hannah, how old are you?
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