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Protein Powders vs. Chicken - Apr. 30 2008 20:47:42   
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I was in Asda the other day, and noticed that meat seems stupidly expensive now. Here's some examples off the top of my head:

- Chicken breasts = 9.98 per kg
- Rump Steak = 9.87 per kg
- Sirloin Steak = 13.98 per kg!!!!!!!!!!!
- Venison = 12 per kg

In fact, the only reasonably priced source of protein was eggs. I buy my eggs in lots of 60, and it costs me...I think 3.50.

So anyway, I then worked out what the cost per 30g of protein was, and not only was cheap whey cheaper per 30g of protein, but Syntha 6 (a relatively expensive powder) was cheaper per 30g of protein, as was Pro-Pep, as was...well....most of what I could think of.

Does anyone now rely on protein powder MORE now than they used to, for budget reasons?

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RE: Protein Powders vs. Chicken - Apr. 30 2008 20:52:43   
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food is allways better than supps, shouldnt rely of supps

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RE: Protein Powders vs. Chicken - Apr. 30 2008 20:53:27   
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I get my chicken from a Chinese supermarket, it's shot up in price recently though - used the be £3.58 a kilo, now a shocking £4.08

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RE: Protein Powders vs. Chicken - Apr. 30 2008 20:54:29   
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I get my chicken from a Chinese supermarket, it's shot up in price recently though - used the be £3.58 a kilo, now a shocking £4.08



just this country tho its a f.ing joke.

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RE: Protein Powders vs. Chicken - Apr. 30 2008 21:01:51   
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We have just got used to cheap meat and food whilst the farmers have been getting royally fecked. As long as the supermarkets aren't pocketing the extra and the farmers are actually getting more now then we can't complain. Without them we really would be stuffed.

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RE: Protein Powders vs. Chicken - Apr. 30 2008 21:03:40   
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We have just got used to cheap meat and food whilst the farmers have been getting royally fecked. As long as the supermarkets aren't pocketing the extra and the farmers are actually getting more now then we can't complain. Without them we really would be stuffed.

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my step dad used to have his own chick and rabits and eat them, lol is the old day tho

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RE: Protein Powders vs. Chicken - Apr. 30 2008 21:05:58   
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We have just got used to cheap meat and food whilst the farmers have been getting royally fecked. As long as the supermarkets aren't pocketing the extra and the farmers are actually getting more now then we can't complain. Without them we really would be stuffed.

MT

don't the farmers get enough from subsidy?

personally, i'd prefer it if the farmers got less subsidy, then the weaker farms would go bust...get bought up by larger farms...and large farms would be able to stand up to supermarkets.

there are too many tiny farms in the UK today, using 70 acres of land and the like, never being able to exploit economies of scale. no wonder they get run over by tescos.

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RE: Protein Powders vs. Chicken - Apr. 30 2008 21:18:49   
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This could spiral into a big debate, lol, but here we go:

As a country we are on a slippery slope to not being able to produce enough of our own food as so many farmers are going bust. The big farms are more like heavy industry than farming! The food gets filled with chemicals and the land is bled dry. I don't want to get poisoned via my food whilst the countryside crumbles.

Farming is not something you can just walk into. It is passed on generation to generation, thats how the land is looked after and communties solidified. You get a "feel" for the land and know where there is water, shelter, etc. If there aren't as many farmers whose going to look after the land? Whose going to produce our food? Do we as a nation want to rely on other countries for the majority of our food? I fecking don't!!

I am NOT a farmer but do know alot of them. I don't want to pay through the nose for food, but they do deserve to get paid. The average farmer may earn £5k after tax nowadays, and thats WITH subsidies taken into account!! Feed has gone up. Diesel has gone up. The cost of living has gone up. The price they get for their animal has fallen LOADS. It doesn't work and won't for much longer. They are on about reduceing/removing subsidies and this will kill farming. It may sound a bit dramatic but in 20 years we will be in a really bad way in relation to food production if the decline isn't turned around.

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RE: Protein Powders vs. Chicken - Apr. 30 2008 21:22:03   
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Beefycol: The self sufficiency route is not a bad one. A few chickens and some veg, etc is the way quite a few folk are turning. I would too if I could afford some land!!

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RE: Protein Powders vs. Chicken - Apr. 30 2008 21:29:13   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Monster T

This could spiral into a big debate, lol, but here we go:

As a country we are on a slippery slope to not being able to produce enough of our own food as so many farmers are going bust. The big farms are more like heavy industry than farming! The food gets filled with chemicals and the land is bled dry. I don't want to get poisoned via my food whilst the countryside crumbles.

Farming is not something you can just walk into. It is passed on generation to generation, thats how the land is looked after and communties solidified. You get a "feel" for the land and know where there is water, shelter, etc. If there aren't as many farmers whose going to look after the land? Whose going to produce our food? Do we as a nation want to rely on other countries for the majority of our food? I fecking don't!!

I am NOT a farmer but do know alot of them. I don't want to pay through the nose for food, but they do deserve to get paid. The average farmer may earn £5k after tax nowadays, and thats WITH subsidies taken into account!! Feed has gone up. Diesel has gone up. The cost of living has gone up. The price they get for their animal has fallen LOADS. It doesn't work and won't for much longer. They are on about reduceing/removing subsidies and this will kill farming. It may sound a bit dramatic but in 20 years we will be in a really bad way in relation to food production if the decline isn't turned around.

MT

I think it is working. You're progressively seeing two distinct marketed emerging:

Bulk Food & Bespoke Food.

Bulk food is the large farms, producing food using the methods of mass production - the same pro's and cons as you hint towards above. Yes, more preservatives, by also yes, much lower cost. You don't have to go back many years to find malnutrition rampant even in the UK - even as recently as the 1970's meat would have been considered a "treat".

In terms of Bespoke food, what I'm talking about here are the growing number of farmers who decide they WONT price compete anymore. They produce the best food, in the best way, with the best materials and resources and practices. Things like the organic movement, and farmers markets, demonstrate this market best.

These markets may seem like polar opposites, but they're not. They're BOTH created as a result of market forces. Some people don't really care about preservatives in their food - probably 80% of the UK I'd recon, and just want fast, tasty, cheap food. Bulk food fits their needs perfectly in this regard.

The second group - people like most active trainers, and much of the middle class - do care about food. They're willing to pay 10 pounds for 4 chicken breasts if it's organic, and they're willing to pay much, much more for much less food - so long as the quality's perfect.

I've seen several farms that are highly successful following both markets. 10 years ago a farm down the road from me was doing badly. They were trying to sell meat cheap just like every other middle size farm. Then they stopped. They opened up a farm shop, sold locally produced food, high quality cheeses, and home made ice cream. That farm is now a multi-million pound business with a restaurant attached, and a new garden centre developed due to the market demand from customers coming in.

I think this model - either be big and cheap, or be small and great - is a better long term bet than just taxing us more and more for business models that are failing. When has subsidising industry ever produced good results?

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RE: Protein Powders vs. Chicken - Apr. 30 2008 23:09:40   
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This topic has got way out of hand. I thought i had logged into muscletalk, must of clicked on the sunday times forum link instead. Take your points to the house of commons and see what they make of them, bit to complicated for my brain. ha ha.

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RE: Protein Powders vs. Chicken - Apr. 30 2008 23:25:03   
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This topic has got way out of hand. I thought i had logged into muscletalk, must of clicked on the sunday times forum link instead. Take your points to the house of commons and see what they make of them, bit to complicated for my brain. ha ha.

lol, love people that make me giggle

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RE: Protein Powders vs. Chicken - May 1 2008 4:18:22   
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Go iceland 3.50 a kg for diced breast meat :)



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RE: Protein Powders vs. Chicken - May 1 2008 6:28:52   
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ORIGINAL: ThaiFighter

I was in Asda the other day, and noticed that meat seems stupidly expensive now. Here's some examples off the top of my head:

- Chicken breasts = 9.98 per kg
- Rump Steak = 9.87 per kg
- Sirloin Steak = 13.98 per kg!!!!!!!!!!!
- Venison = 12 per kg

In fact, the only reasonably priced source of protein was eggs. I buy my eggs in lots of 60, and it costs me...I think 3.50.

So anyway, I then worked out what the cost per 30g of protein was, and not only was cheap whey cheaper per 30g of protein, but Syntha 6 (a relatively expensive powder) was cheaper per 30g of protein, as was Pro-Pep, as was...well....most of what I could think of.

Does anyone now rely on protein powder MORE now than they used to, for budget reasons?


I did an article on this 5 years ago. So it's not a recent thing.

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RE: Protein Powders vs. Chicken - May 1 2008 7:33:00   
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mince is still pretty cheap :)

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RE: Protein Powders vs. Chicken - May 1 2008 9:10:05   
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So is the nutrition value of a crappy quality tescos chicken breast greater than a quality whey shake? I seem to be eating chicken just for the protein, the taste does nothing for me these days. I don't know if my taste buds have changed but chicken doesn't taste as good as it did 10 years ago.

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RE: Protein Powders vs. Chicken - May 1 2008 11:04:44   
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I was in Asda the other day, and noticed that meat seems stupidly expensive now. Here's some examples off the top of my head:

- Chicken breasts = 9.98 per kg
- Rump Steak = 9.87 per kg
- Sirloin Steak = 13.98 per kg!!!!!!!!!!!
- Venison = 12 per kg

In fact, the only reasonably priced source of protein was eggs. I buy my eggs in lots of 60, and it costs me...I think 3.50.

So anyway, I then worked out what the cost per 30g of protein was, and not only was cheap whey cheaper per 30g of protein, but Syntha 6 (a relatively expensive powder) was cheaper per 30g of protein, as was Pro-Pep, as was...well....most of what I could think of.

Does anyone now rely on protein powder MORE now than they used to, for budget reasons?


I did an article on this 5 years ago. So it's not a recent thing.

link?

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RE: Protein Powders vs. Chicken - May 1 2008 11:05:11   
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mince is still pretty cheap :)

mince is made from cow brain lol

mind you....i love my burgers

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RE: Protein Powders vs. Chicken - May 1 2008 11:15:28   
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i try to rely on "real food" as much as possible as it keeps me satiated for longer, but i agree that people with less budget would probably be better off drinking whey than eating morrisons frozen chicken breasts which are 88% chicken lol

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RE: Protein Powders vs. Chicken - May 1 2008 11:16:26   
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ORIGINAL: ThaiFighter

I was in Asda the other day, and noticed that meat seems stupidly expensive now. Here's some examples off the top of my head:

- Chicken breasts = 9.98 per kg
- Rump Steak = 9.87 per kg
- Sirloin Steak = 13.98 per kg!!!!!!!!!!!
- Venison = 12 per kg

In fact, the only reasonably priced source of protein was eggs. I buy my eggs in lots of 60, and it costs me...I think 3.50.

So anyway, I then worked out what the cost per 30g of protein was, and not only was cheap whey cheaper per 30g of protein, but Syntha 6 (a relatively expensive powder) was cheaper per 30g of protein, as was Pro-Pep, as was...well....most of what I could think of.

Does anyone now rely on protein powder MORE now than they used to, for budget reasons?


This is why i was asking about and considering buying Pro-Peptide ( ) again after many months of eatting steak and egg whites before bed.
Even eggs & steak from cheap food stores like Lidl and Netto etc have had a huge price increase and it now works out cheaper to buy products like Pro-Peptide than it does solid food <<< you couldnt say that afew weeks ago


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