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Declofenac and weight training - May 1 2008 23:55:41
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aky
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Hi i'm a newbee on here after a little advise. I've been weight training 3 years and ive started doing really well. I have suddenly had a pain down my left leg which i belive could be a trapped nerve. Doctor gave me declofenac which i only take when the pain is bad. I take one tablet a couple of hours before gym because i do a lot of standing and sitting which is where the pain strikes most. Will declofenac have any bad effects on my muscle growth?? By the way i'm going to a chiropractors next week so fingers crossed all will get sorted out. Any advise will be welcomed as my doctor wasnt much help.
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RE: Declofenac and weight training - May 2 2008 8:42:13
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Tony Barnes
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I've been on 150mg diclofenac ED for about 10 months now I think, though I haven't been training for a large part of that time, I've started again recently and seem to be fine with it, and progressing quite quickly (lol, newbie gains strike for their 4th time!) I've recently read that the COX 2 pathway it inhibits is involved in muscle repair at a minimum, and may also be involved in muscle growth, so I'm going to look into that a bit more. Obviously, blocking either of them isn't great. Also, finally got a follow up appointment at the rheumo clinic... knocking on 12 months late - I'll be asking the prof who'll see me there, 'cos I doubt there's much he doesn't know about it. I think YIB was on NSAID's for an age - she might be of help if she spots this. As my symptoms are still progressing (I've got ankylosing spondylitis) I'm going to push for swapping treatment to a tnf-alpha inhibitor/antibody, called infliximab. I did a research trial with it and it knocked my pain out for 2 years, so fingers crossed I'll be back on that soon!! Also read up that tnf-alpha is catabolic, so going on that may help me gain muscle. Does throw my natural status into question - though I think medications are fine. Oh, welcome to the forum
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RE: Declofenac and weight training - May 2 2008 9:03:27
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Tony Barnes
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In fact, here's some info: COX2 pathway is critical for myoblast proliferation in response to stretch And another: quote:
Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2006 May;38(5):840-6. Ibuprofen inhibits skeletal muscle hypertrophy in rats. Soltow QA, Betters JL, Sellman JE, Lira VA, Long JH, Criswell DS. Center for Exercise Science, University of Florida, Gainesville, 32611, USA. PURPOSE: We sought to determine whether cyclooxygenase (COX) activity is necessary for overload-induced growth of adult rat skeletal muscle, and whether nitric oxide synthase (NOS) activity is involved in upregulation of COX messenger RNA (mRNA) expression in skeletal muscle. METHODS: Unilateral surgical removal of the gastrocnemius and soleus was performed on the right hindlimb of 16 female Sprague-Dawley rats (approximately 230 g) to induce chronic overload (OL) of the plantaris for 14 d, with sham surgeries performed on the contralateral leg as a normally loaded (NL) control. Half of the rats were treated with the nonspecific COX inhibitor, ibuprofen (0.2 mg.mL(-1) in drinking water; approximately 20 mg.kg(-1).d(-1)). In a second experiment, the plantaris was unilaterally overloaded for 5 or 14 d in male rats (approximately 350 g; N = 16 rats per time point) and half of the animals were treated with the NOS inhibitor, L-NAME (0.75 mg.mL(-1) in drinking water; approximately 90 mg.kg(-1).d(-1)). RESULTS: Ibuprofen treatment inhibited plantaris hypertrophy by approximately 50% (P < 0.05) following 14 d of OL, as did L-NAME treatment (P < 0.05). COX-1 and COX-2 mRNA did not differ between any groups at 5 d. At 14 d, however, L-NAME caused a 30-fold increase in plantaris COX-1 mRNA expression independent of loading condition. Additionally, OL induced a 20-fold increase in COX-2 mRNA expression compared with NL (P < 0.05) at 14 d, without affecting COX-1 mRNA level. L-NAME treatment significantly inhibited OL-induced expression of COX-2 mRNA. CONCLUSION: COX activity is important for in vivo muscle hypertrophy, and plantaris overload is associated with NOS activity-dependent COX-2 expression. PMID: 16672835 __________________ Not on humans though - but pathways will be pretty close. Really don't like the outcome of the 2nd one!! lol
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RE: Declofenac and weight training - May 2 2008 10:08:20
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tubbyman
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I've seen arguments both ways - I was reading an article the other day on this - cant find it for the life of me but the one below is interesting. It's about ibuprofen which I believe is in the same class as DS but it was based on old people. ripped pensioners The article I read the other day was on a range of ages and found that a dose of ibuprofen assists gains in mass and strength. There's also loads stating the exact opposite.....
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RE: Declofenac and weight training - May 2 2008 10:23:40
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Tony Barnes
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Nice find! That is completely contradictory, isn't it... Hmm, maybe my recent re-newbie gains haven't been hampered, might even of had a helping hand. Will have to look into this more
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RE: Declofenac and weight training - May 3 2008 17:50:53
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Paul_UK81
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I asked my GP and she advised that it woudl not have any significant effect if taken on an intermittent (only when needed) basis. Taking NSAIDs on a daily basis however could have some detrimental effects.
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