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RE: Do you think too much? - May 4 2008 17:49:43
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Fat Pete
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Just because someone has lots of sex doesn't mean they are going to be fantastic at it.
True
but
That's a bold statement. Generally the more experienced anyone is at anything the better at it they are
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RE: Do you think too much? - May 4 2008 17:56:36
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what are you classing as ignorant views of prostitution?
very few prostitues or high end escorts that i have known and spoken to do what they do for the love of sex, money yes but not out of their enjoyment of sex. But thats only the one's i've met.
Pete - what % of prostitues do you reckon earn the wage of a GP?
An ignorant view is one based on nothing. The view of some-one who does not know prostitutes.
I agree money is the driver, but liking sex certaining helps, and if they meet a bloke who knows what he is doing, they consider that gravy
What percentage. I don't know, I don't know all prostitutes. But of the ones I do know they all have the potential to, if they put the effort in. I have no experience of street walking girls so they are not included in anything I say
LOL i know the definition of an ignorant view.
i wouldnt say of the prostitutes i've met many of them have enjoyed much of the sex, from what they have said anyway.
although, i was sleeping with what people would call a high end escort, she was good fun and freely admitted she liked sex but ultimately wanted it to be with someone she trsuted/had feelings for over with men paying her.
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RE: Do you think too much? - May 4 2008 17:57:18
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depends on the experience though, perhaps a high class escort who would maybe have 1 partner a night and would have to take her time to pleasure the "client" but i get the feeling a street walker is just a hole to be banged quickly in some dark alley or a seedy hotel don't think neither party would be too bothered about pleasure.
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You're actually trying to cause potentially fatal accidents, because you don't like horses?
That is rather odd
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RE: Do you think too much? - May 4 2008 18:03:32
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Most men I believe are terrified of experienced women and make up these terrible stories so that women of experience, either professional ot amateur will never be able to admit it in polite society.
because experienced women make them feel inadequate, because men prefer to be in control and you cant control a woman who wont conform to what is considered 'proper' sexual behavior ?
hardly surprising that most women toe the line rather than be on the receiving and of this kind of vitriol 
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just a hole to be banged quickly
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RE: Do you think too much? - May 4 2008 18:05:11
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It make them women of considerable sexual experience does it not. I may not know any, but I know, in general terms, what they do for a living
Sexual experience, ok, I thought you were suggesting general life experience.
I have known some street girls. I used to manage a club in SOHO and they'd come in for a drink before their 'shift' started. They were a decent bunch, and were more than welcome, but their pimps were not.
When you'd spoke to them it was patently obvious that each and everyone of them was a lost and tortured soul.
I don't know if prostitution itself caused this, or if their own unfortunate life experiences caused this, but I do know that prostitution was probably going to end up being the death of many of them.
Most had suffered sexual abuse in their childhoods, and nearly all of them had some kind of sustance abuse problem.
I have no experience of 'indoor' prositutes though.
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RE: Do you think too much? - May 4 2008 18:06:39
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Medusa if my theory is true that most street walkers are drug addicts they are already pretty low down on the food chain, I don't think people that are going to be using them are going to give them any respect thats why I used that term. Whereas the more high class ones I feel are th ones people would be taking to functions then banging them  perhaps because they don't ahve time for proper relationships, they want a healthy woman or who knows they just be just as deviant as any other user. In this country perhaps prositutes and brothers should be legalised and regulatated like in other countries?
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You're actually trying to cause potentially fatal accidents, because you don't like horses?
That is rather odd
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RE: Do you think too much? - May 4 2008 18:07:36
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Most men I believe are terrified of experienced women and make up these terrible stories so that women of experience, either professional ot amateur will never be able to admit it in polite society.
because experienced women make them feel inadequate, because men prefer to be in control and you cant control a woman who wont conform to what is considered 'proper' sexual behavior ?
I love experienced women.
Give me a woman who knows what she's doing and what she wants, over some timid little flower anyday.
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RE: Do you think too much? - May 4 2008 18:21:38
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I don't think people that are going to be using them are going to give them any respect thats why I used that term.
I would never describe someone in those terms, you could have said that you believed street prostitutes aren’t regarded with any respect by their customers, instead you choose to refer to a woman as 'just a hole to be banged'.
Seemingly in common with most men you have thoroughly internalised the sexual double standard.
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RE: Do you think too much? - May 4 2008 18:25:12
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I don't think people that are going to be using them are going to give them any respect thats why I used that term.
I would never describe someone in those terms, you could have said that you believed street prostitutes aren’t regarded with any respect by their customers, instead you choose to refer to a woman as 'just a hole to be banged'.
Seemingly in common with most men you have thoroughly internalised the sexual double standard.
So are you suggesting that the men who use the services of street girls actually respect them, and do not see them simply as a way of getting some quick relief?
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RE: Do you think too much? - May 4 2008 18:26:39
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im ALWAYS thinking about when i last ate, and when my next meal will be, even when im on the net or watching a film, or even out. 
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RE: Do you think too much? - May 4 2008 18:30:42
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Prostitution is a varied profession, I think
Jango's views are not ignorant, but perhaps they are a little blinkered. He bases his views on what he has seen, and that is the end of that, as they say. (Sorry to use you as an example Jango, just did it cos it's your thread!)
Actually I am somewhat the same as Jango in this regard
My own experience of prostitutes has been quite limited. I was mates with some girls when I was a student at university who worked as escorts. They did it because it was the highest paid job they could get whilst also studying full time for a degree. There was also an element of excitement in it for them. Not only a well paid job, but also more interesting than most
I once visited an expensive escort myself (not anyone I knew, that would kind of defeat the point of the experience for me, I just wanted to know what it would be *like* to pay for sex with a stranger). Now this lady was very well off indeed, and could clearly have retired or changed her line of work if she so desired. Obviously, she did not so desire
So that's my experience. Women who do this line of work because it pays well and it's what they want to do (in other words they enjoy their job)
And whilst I do realise that there are some poor, malnourished, abused, addicted, street hookers out there. And some sex slaves kept in cages brought over from Albania. I just have never known one well enough to comment on. Perhaps I underestimate the numbers of these people? I don't know. I have been around drugs and indeed around homeless people and career criminals for many years during my life. I did not see huge evidence of this type of prostitute, but maybe I was being blinkered and chose to ignore the evidence. I cannot say for sure
What I think we can all agree on is that prostitution is a varied profession, and what applies to one person rarely applies to the next
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RE: Do you think too much? - May 4 2008 18:31:27
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IMO Med, as a woman IMO that is, women and a lot of men view sex in two different ways.
A lot of men (inc me) see fcuking animal sex as just sex, no emotional link to kick the monkey on your shoulder (mine is called Rupert  ) when needed and emotional when the time is. For a lot of women (in my experience and chatting with them) may be looking for something more when sleeping with men, even tho they enjoy it as sex, ultimatley they need more from it and whilst some of their numbers may be high, it will be a case of looking for the right man.
And a lot of blokes I know can happily screw over a lot of women and do not think of it and do not want more from it, just to 'bang' a bird. For example i'd prolly happily see a number of women, if the OH didnt mind just for sex, where as the OH says she wouldn't/doesn't want to look elsewhere for any form of contact.
I think its just a difference in the sexes. For a lot of men (notice I say a lot, not all!) it IS just another hole to bang, one with a diffferent wrapping to the last. Its not a case of double standards, its a case of different needs.
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RE: Do you think too much? - May 4 2008 18:33:38
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I am seriously considering visiting a prostitute now, just to see what's what.
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RE: Do you think too much? - May 4 2008 18:38:29
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Its not a case of double standards, its a case of different needs.
no Papa L.
It IS double standards, women who want to be promiscuous or have no strings sex may very well be in the minority but they are judged very differently to men for doing the same thing.
A woman is seen to be demeaned by sex, in particular the more sexual partners she has, a man is not, he is congratulated for the very same thing that she is derided for.
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RE: Do you think too much? - May 4 2008 18:41:42
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Are they being promiscuous because they want to or are they essentially looking for the right man? IMO a lot of women are trying to find a bloke to nest with. A lot of men just need the sex...
...equally these days, at least at my age of 27, most of my friends look down on blokes who sleep around with a new partner each week and do not see it as 'cool' or anything close. Certainly when much younger I did, but that was 8-10 years back! Certainly any back slapping does not occur, at least in my circle of friends.
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RE: Do you think too much? - May 4 2008 18:49:38
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A lot of men just need the sex...
and alot of women are constrained by the cultural double standard
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equally these days, at least at my age of 27, most of my friends look down on blokes who sleep around with a new partner each week and do not see it as 'cool' or anything close. Certainly when much younger I did, but that was 8-10 years back! Certainly any back slapping does not occur, at least in my circle of friends.
but a woman who indulges in no strings sex would still be judged differently to a man, dont you think?
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RE: Do you think too much? - May 4 2008 18:51:52
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It IS double standards, women who want to be promiscuous or have no strings sex may very well be in the minority but they are judged very differently to men for doing the same thing.
A woman is seen to be demeaned by sex, in particular the more sexual partners she has, a man is not, he is congratulated for the very same thing that she is derided for.
That has been the case from the beginning of time.
But why do women want no strings sex?
Men have an organ that gets hard when aroused, and testicles that need to empty themselves regularly. This is why men need no strings sex.
No doubt this description will offend you also, but don't blame me blame mother nature. Of course women enjoy sex, but women do not have the same physical needs that men do, so why do some of them try to act like men when they are simply wired differently?
It seems to me that it is down to a psychological need for attention and/or affection, rather than any need to have instant sexual gratification in the way that men want. This is why promiscuous women are veiwed differently to their male counterparts, and whilst it may seem unfair, it is perfectly rational in my opinion.
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RE: Do you think too much? - May 4 2008 19:00:16
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That has been the case from the beginning of time.
But why do women want no strings sex?
Men have an organ that gets hard when aroused, and testicles that need to empty themselves regularly. This is why men need no strings sex.
No doubt this description will offend you also, but don't blame me blame mother nature. Of course women enjoy sex, but women do not have the same physical needs that men do, so why do some of them try to act like men when they are simply wired differently?
It seems to me that it is down to a psychological need for attention and/or affection, rather than any need to have instant sexual gratification in the way that men want. This is why promiscuous women are veiwed differently to their male counterparts, and whilst it may seem unfair, it is perfectly rational in my opinion.
you are joking?
Jango, are you older than 11?
or have you time travelled from 100 years ago when people believed that women had real need for sexual gratification?
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RE: Do you think too much? - May 4 2008 19:37:58
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A lot of men just need the sex...
and alot of women are constrained by the cultural double standard
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equally these days, at least at my age of 27, most of my friends look down on blokes who sleep around with a new partner each week and do not see it as 'cool' or anything close. Certainly when much younger I did, but that was 8-10 years back! Certainly any back slapping does not occur, at least in my circle of friends.
but a woman who indulges in no strings sex would still be judged differently to a man, dont you think?
Maybe by other women med, not by blokes IMO. Unless its dozens of men one after the other. But then IMO a bloke doing the same would be called a slag from where I come from anyway!
I don't think Jango IMO is too far from the point TBH. Yes women need sex, yes they sometimes need just random sex with a random bloke. But in the most part, as much as men? I honestly don't think so.
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