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RE: Do you do isolation exercises? - May 5 2008 12:12:06
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Isolation exercises just aid compound exercises. I could quite easily spend my life just doing compund exercises.
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RE: Do you do isolation exercises? - May 5 2008 12:17:07
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icking to a few exercises for a year or so will kill most trainers motivation when its the same stuff day in day out
Trying to train like a Pro and making no gains will destroy motivation.
Progression is a great motivator.
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RE: Do you do isolation exercises? - May 5 2008 12:19:44
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trying to train like terry hollands will lead down the same road as well...
this is not the topic of debate in this thread
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RE: Do you do isolation exercises? - May 5 2008 12:21:53
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See my signature.  so I do compounds and isolations for everybody part.
Also, a lot of people do isolation grip work... but I bet that sits OK with some of you as that is hardcore LOL
Seems saying you don't do or like isolation movments is a fashion thing to me to come across hardcore.
Why look at it as compounds or isolation?
Your body and limbs are made to move through certain ranges of motion.
Do that range under resistance and the muscle will get bigger and stronger.
A muscle contacts and pulls on a bone, thats all it comes down to.
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RE: Do you do isolation exercises? - May 5 2008 12:23:31
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ying to train like terry hollands will lead down the same road as well...
Where have I advocated training like Terry Hollands?
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RE: Do you do isolation exercises? - May 5 2008 12:26:25
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PS... there a 19 stone copper in the gym I train at, very strong very big not fat... only uses machines but twice the size as some of us.
He used to be a fat bloater, he's done well with just machines adding extra plates to the pins.
I'm sure I read gymbabliz hade a friend who mainly used machines and was a competative BBer... we can take from that he was probably fairly strong and big.
As others have said, horses for courses. Power lift for that, BBing lift for that... lets not shoot each other down for being differant.
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RE: Do you do isolation exercises? - May 5 2008 12:28:37
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i've said that pros from the 50's-present have been using isolation exercises from the beginning of their careers, these 9st wet guys you talk about.
like wise for strongmen and those who bleat on about only using the 'compound' exercises when there are stacks of bodybuilders, amatuer to pro or even recreational that dont harp on about staying to the big 4
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RE: Do you do isolation exercises? - May 5 2008 13:29:50
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i like to do 1-2 compand moves then 2-4 isolation moves in each workout
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RE: Do you do isolation exercises? - May 5 2008 13:31:03
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come on james21 there is still some topics on page 1 you havnt posted in!!!
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RE: Do you do isolation exercises? - May 5 2008 14:26:44
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come on james21 there is still some topics on page 1 you havnt posted in!!!
i know i only got half way through the first page of general then gave up 
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RE: Do you do isolation exercises? - May 5 2008 14:38:25
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every muscle will grow with exercise, be it isolation or compound.
the body does not know the difference between a bench press or a fly, it only knows it has to fire the pecs to work.
Are you suggesting flyes are therefore as good a mass builder as presses?
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working for a year or two on heavy bench/pressing will give you overdeveloped front delts
working for a year or two on purely squats will leave you with weak hamstrings
No it wouldn't. Your rear delts will grow from your pulling exercises and your medials from an array of overhead work.
If your squatting to a decent depth your hamstrings will get plenty of work, add to that deads and I don't see how you'd have weak hamstrings.
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if you spoke to every pro bodybuilder out there how they have been working out from the beginning, you will see that isolations have been there from the beginning. If its not broke, dont fix it.
Alot of the top Pros, ronnie Coleman included served their time as powerlifters. The basis of their physiques were built by heavy compound work not isolations.
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Some people just love to re-invent the wheel when there is no need what so ever
No ones attempting to re invent anything. Good physiques were built for a long time by benches, squats and deads long before the notion of isolating things and feeling the burn.
Deffinately horses for courses but i agree with Tony personally. I do use isolations....but not always. My current routine has none and wont be adding barbell curls and tri-ex until about 5 or 6 weeks out from now.
Isolations have their place i agree but i personally didnt start to grow until i got the basics nailed. I tried routines chock full of isolations in the early days ..well over 7 years ago and to be honest i didnt look to great. I then got onto a routine written up for me that was all compounds and i grew like a weed. I think it was a full body If i remember correctly.
That routine provided me with the results i was after and it wasnt until about 2-3 years down the line that i introduced any isolations and even then i only added one or two.
Shoulders get hit from military presses..and that does include the medial head imo...the posteriors get hammered doing heavy rows ime. Biceps get a smashing from close grip chins (underhand grips) and with the rows again.Last time i checked dips, bench press and military were some of the best for building triceps mass. Im just more of a fan of doing one big heavy movement thats going to hit a load of muscles and cause total growth rather than spending my time doing tons of isolations to get the same effect.Though as Tony pointed out i can understand the need for them for chiselling.
Not knocking isolations or those who use them as everyones going to have their own take on it but for me they are there to be used as icing. My routine is a full body ...3 days weekly....no isolations right now ...about 6 weeks out i'll add barbell curls and triceps extension to complement dips and chins...but deffinately no rear delt raises ro let raises. I just dont require them.
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RE: Do you do isolation exercises? - May 5 2008 14:50:33
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IME I`ve seen exactly what Trebor says here, it also applies to me, guess some people can get away with it others can`t.
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RE: Do you do isolation exercises? - May 5 2008 15:10:10
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I would prefer to realise my weaknesses early on so I can work on them instead of 5 years down the line, by which point it will take a very long time to bring my lagging body parts up with the rest of them.
I don't need 5 years to see that my medial and rear delts are a weak point. I can see that now so why live with this problem for a long time or hope that compounds fix it when I can work on improving them now.
Compounds are important and should be the base of a routine imo. Any extra work should be done with isolations to work on weak points. I always here people asking "do I need to isolate my biceps/triceps/abs/shoulders?' You don't 'need' to do anything.. They will grow without isolations and they will grow with them. It all depends on the persons goals and if they want to build a muscle to its maximum potential. If they do then I would say yes do isolation work where necessary, as they are not going to do any halm. If they are becoming too big for your proportions, drop the isolations, simple. I don't like it when people just outright say, yes you need them! No you don't need them!
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RE: Do you do isolation exercises? - May 5 2008 15:29:22
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some odd conclusions in here
empirically, tris tend to grow better with compound pushing than bis do with compound pulling, especaily rows (bis get worked hard on stuff like undegrip chins). most people report needing some direct arm work for max growth. they'll get some out of just heavy compuonds but it'll be better if they add some isolation stuff to the mix.
the biggest problem with isolation exercise is people's are whacky proportions. Instead of 90% heavy comounds and 10% isolation, they are doing 98% isolation. Well, and bench cos everybody knows you gotta have a big bench
get proportion rights and they're a very powerful tool. hence why for newbies i discourage any for of isolation
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RE: Do you do isolation exercises? - May 5 2008 16:04:59
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Yes i do. IMO squats, deads, bench, military presses are the only exercises needed to build a good body though.
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How very dare you! NO....... Squats, deads, incline bench, chins, rows, military presses, curls and CGBP.
Unless you have insane genetics, you wont get huge tri's without tri work, bi's without bi work, incline is better that flat, back without rows or chins. You big C0CK- avatar!
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RE: Do you do isolation exercises? - May 5 2008 16:17:01
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Unless you have insane genetics, you wont get huge tri's without tri work, bi's without bi work, incline is better that flat, back without rows or chins.
tri's grow pretty well without any direct work
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RE: Do you do isolation exercises? - May 5 2008 16:23:49
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Agree somewhat, if you can bench 150 for reps then your gonna have some tri development, but lets be honest, only the genetic freaks among us can build 20" arms from benching and deadlifting.
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RE: Do you do isolation exercises? - May 5 2008 17:11:41
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Yep I do isolation movements, mainly for my forearms and calves, but occasionally for other bodyparts too
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RE: Do you do isolation exercises? - May 5 2008 17:13:38
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I use them alongside compound
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RE: Do you do isolation exercises? - May 5 2008 17:35:37
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Yep I do isolation movements, mainly for my forearms and calves, but occasionally for other bodyparts too
Same, I use isolation work for the smaller bodyparts in the main, but also hamstrings as well. Chest, Quads, Back etc. I stick to compounds as this works well. Things like medial delts, biceps, triceps, rear delts, forearms, calves benefit well off isolation work for myself.
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