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L-Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate or Beta Alanine before w... - May 6 2008 11:08:31
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paulom
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which one is better to give you a better workout
and what quantaties?
can you run them with mass fx and hyperdrol type of products?
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RE: L-Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate or Beta Alanine befo... - May 6 2008 18:44:34
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BA is great and has a lot of research supporting its performance enhancing effects, but like creatine, it must be 'loaded' rather than inducing an acute effect.
Here's an article: Beta Alanine for performance
BTW-There's an article about AAKG on the site as well.
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RE: L-Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate or Beta Alanine befo... - May 6 2008 19:26:51
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they both have different functions.
AAKG helps for the 'pump'. Take it 45 mins before a workout on an empty stomach
Beta-alanine helps to buffer lactic acid in the muscle(s). It can be taken any time in the day. Take it with carbs though. 4g a day will suffice
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RE: L-Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate or Beta Alanine befo... - May 7 2008 8:56:06
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thanks guys
so to help me in my workout
AAKg would be better?
cheers
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RE: L-Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate or Beta Alanine befo... - May 7 2008 14:42:43
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Dependson the workout your gonna do, if its weights sessions then AAKG would prob be best, but if ure going for a long run or something then BA would prob be better
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RE: L-Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate or Beta Alanine befo... - May 8 2008 9:52:53
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weights
thanks for that
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RE: L-Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate or Beta Alanine befo... - May 8 2008 11:54:29
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Alos dependent on the manner in whihc you weight train. Low rep/long rest periods/strength training will not see an effect from BA usage. Higher volume/rep/short rest periods/training may.
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RE: L-Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate or Beta Alanine befo... - May 8 2008 13:28:02
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thanks guys I also need to take into consideration that my sessions are long ones i think
1.30 hours in the gym each time
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RE: L-Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate or Beta Alanine befo... - May 8 2008 13:58:27
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is Beta Alanine as good as it's hyped up to be??
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RE: L-Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate or Beta Alanine befo... - May 8 2008 14:07:01
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is Beta Alanine as good as it's hyped up to be??
For improving muscle mass and strength probably not.
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RE: L-Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate or Beta Alanine befo... - May 8 2008 16:01:15
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whats the added benefits then to taking this supp?
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RE: L-Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate or Beta Alanine befo... - May 8 2008 16:12:41
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Improved performance in exercise where a drop in intramuscular ph contributes to fatigue. Lab based testing has demonstrated that increased carnosine concentrations can improve high intensity cycle ergometry and isometric exercise. No work that I know off has shown clear positive results in a more applied setting i.e. running or weight training performance.
One paper has shown that a combined beta-alaine/creatine supplement produced improved weight training outcomes (better body comp) than a control group and creatine alone supp (Hoffman et al. 2007). Another paper showed no difference in muscle mass and strength gains through weight training between a beta-ala supplementated and placebo group (Kendrick et al. 2008).
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RE: L-Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate or Beta Alanine befo... - May 8 2008 17:52:46
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As mentioned in the article, people who train with low reps would benefit by the improved activation of fast fibres as well as delay of neuromuscular fatigue.
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RE: L-Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate or Beta Alanine befo... - May 8 2008 18:20:11
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so the main benefit would be allowing you a longer workout
and avoid fatigue from that addes time working out?
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RE: L-Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate or Beta Alanine befo... - May 8 2008 18:39:24
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buffers acidosis. is you are doing high rep stuff might be handy. even then i'm talkking relatively high intensive activity
as iaink has , despite the rise in carnosine, the results on body / comp and performance are not as impressive as you'd expect
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RE: L-Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate or Beta Alanine befo... - May 8 2008 18:48:48
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better alternatives?
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RE: L-Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate or Beta Alanine befo... - May 8 2008 18:53:01
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the effect of all supplementation in this are is likely to be very small
whenever someone asks this question the first protocol should be diet and routine check and a reality check. are you expecting too much too soon? are you eating enough. .. ..
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RE: L-Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate or Beta Alanine befo... - May 8 2008 19:01:03
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no expecting any miracle just trying to see how can i improve
not even planning to do it at the moment lots of my questions related with the fact that i want to learn
at the moment diet and routine ok and I an running mass fx with hyperdrol so not plannning anything more
just trying to learn if I wanna use them in the future
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RE: L-Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate or Beta Alanine befo... - May 9 2008 10:00:17
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aakg is a good supplement- as already alluded to it gives a "pump" in the gym, i include this in my supplementation for its immunomodulation properties.
been a bit wary as of late as the places i have bought from each batch seems to be different on each purchase.
best place and best price i can find now is bulksupplementsdirect
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RE: L-Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate or Beta Alanine befo... - May 9 2008 10:57:31
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As mentioned in the article, people who train with low reps would benefit by the improved activation of fast fibres as well as delay of neuromuscular fatigue
Unfortunatly to date this is speculation. The only study to assess low rep weight training and the effects of increased carnosine concentrations has seen no effect on low rep training and strength production. A lot more research isn needed in the area to full ellude carnosines effect on the above.
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