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Calorie intake - May 6 2008 11:18:08
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Jowa
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I'm trying to increase my calorie intake, and so I've been researching the amount of calories in different foods, but I have a question...
Does it matter from which foods you get your calories? Or is it just important that you get them regardless of where they come from?
I try not to eat foods containing dairy, preservatices or sugar (natural sugars in fruit are ok) so I'm looking for other sources of calories.
Just as a theoretical example, as long as I am maintaining a good diet, would it be possible to reach my required calorie levels by just drinking loads and loads of apple juice? or eating loads of nuts?
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RE: Calorie intake - May 6 2008 12:28:01
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As long as you get sufficient protein, Essential Fatty Acids (EFAS) and pre-WO fuelling, it doesn't make a difference where the rest of your Calories come from as far as weight & body composition are concerned. It does make a difference to your appetite & health, though.
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RE: Calorie intake - May 6 2008 13:28:12
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Jowa
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Excellent, thanks alot.
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RE: Calorie intake - May 6 2008 15:18:06
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a little while ago i recall seeing a post where "TT" i believe stated you can eat at maintenance cals and still put on weight,
i think he was refering to poor food choices, never really understood it, wondering if he was refering to insulin spikes with sugary stuff etc.
any thoughts.
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RE: Calorie intake - May 6 2008 17:10:07
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Eating at maintenance Calories cannot cause long-term weight gain or loss. There can be some short-term fluctuation in glycogen & water weight, though.
The only way to gain weight long-term is to eat more Calories than you burn. If weight gain is ~0.5lb a week, it should be virtually all muscle mass gain (if training routine is good).
The only way to lose weight long-term is to burn more Calories than you eat. If weight loss is ~1b a week, it should be virtually all body-fat mass loss (if protein intake & pre-WO carbs are adequate).
You can eat at maintenance Calories and gain muscle & lose bodyfat, thus maintaining a constant bodyweight. See http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m_2561923/mpage_2/key_/tm.htm#2564462 Is this what you were thinking of?
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RE: Calorie intake - May 6 2008 17:20:59
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If you don't eat foods with preservatives or sugar, your diet is going to be pretty limited.
Personally I think you're being naive about it, everything you eat has tonnes of chemicals in or on it. Fruit for example is sprayed with ripening agents and pesticides.
Oh and what do you consider a "natural sugar"? In the end most of the dietary sugars you eat are just dimers or isomers of glucose.
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RE: Calorie intake - May 7 2008 20:37:00
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If you don't eat foods with preservatives or sugar, your diet is going to be pretty limited.
I have other medical issues that makes me avoid these things, it's not really a choice thing. It is very limiting, but I have to try and work around it.
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Personally I think you're being naive about it, everything you eat has tonnes of chemicals in or on it. Fruit for example is sprayed with ripening agents and pesticides.
It's just specific ingredients...allergy to preservatives is a pretty common thing, I would just rather get my calories from purer foods that don't contain such things.
Because I don't eat that kind of high calorie food, I just wanted to know if I could just cram myself full of calories from things like apple juice (or whatever) to make up for it.
I don't really know much about it.
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Oh and what do you consider a "natural sugar"? In the end most of the dietary sugars you eat are just dimers or isomers of glucose.
I just know that I can eat fruit in great quantities with no ill effect, but I can't eat a great quantity of other sugary foods.
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RE: Calorie intake - May 7 2008 22:31:46
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Say i was bulking and my maintenance was 2700 that means i need around 250 more than this per day to put on 0.5lb a week. So that means i now need 2950.
Example 1 - If i ate properly and only can get to 2300 a day with proper amount of protein and pwo shake etc
Example 2 - if i did the same as the above but ate crap to get my calories up to around 2950,
Which option would be better, taking into account that i dont want to pack on that much fat whilst bulking, but i do want to build muscle as quick as i can, and im willing to add 40-60mins cardio a week if needed?
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RE: Calorie intake - May 8 2008 0:04:51
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Say i was bulking and my maintenance was 2700 that means i need around 250 more than this per day to put on 0.5lb a week. So that means i now need 2950.
Example 1 - If i ate properly and only can get to 2300 a day with proper amount of protein and pwo shake etc You'll lose weight at a rate of just under 1lb a week. I doubt that you'll be able to gain any muscle mass but you won't lose any.
Example 2 - if i did the same as the above but ate crap to get my calories up to around 2950, You'll gain ~0.5lb a week. Hopefully, of muscle mass as you have a proper amount of protein etc as above.
Which option would be better, taking into account that i dont want to pack on that much fat whilst bulking, but i do want to build muscle as quick as i can, and im willing to add 40-60mins cardio a week if needed?
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RE: Calorie intake - May 8 2008 13:53:45
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Yeah thanks that was really helpful mate  , but eating crap would casue an insulin spike so would that not affect muscle mass etc nig? No. Eating virtually anything* causes an insulin spike (to make the body store carbs & AAs for later use). Why should that affect muscle mass?
*Eating only fat doesn't cause an insulin spike but it causes an ASP spike (which stores the fat in fat cells for later use).
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