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RE: HDrol cycle planned - comments invited - May 6 2008 12:44:50
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Daari
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Up the dose up h-drol mate
25mg for a week is a complete waste, IMO
50mg BARE MINIMUM
I'd personaly run 75mg for 6 weeks
Liv-52 doses are split
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RE: HDrol cycle planned - comments invited - May 6 2008 12:51:56
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Celt
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My comments from a similar cycle with the same goals in here mate...
http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m_2652217/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#2657653
Definitely run at 75mg, 6 weeks is ideal and 50 would be too mild even for the inexperienced (not suggesting that's you)
IMO forget about inhibit-e, clomid will do the job perfectly on its own and as you mention 'funds allowing' I'd spend what you have on x-lean
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RE: HDrol cycle planned - comments invited - May 6 2008 14:11:27
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what is your target ?
I'm on a cutting cycle with 250mg test e6d and now 125mg Hdrol ed 
I'm on week 6 and loving this cycle. Taking liv52 also Perfect Cycle, no sides. Libido high, no back pumps (something I suffered terribly on Tbol). Strength is pretty good although I've lost 6kg in 2 months.
I may even go to 150mg the last few days this week. I'll be taking 2 weeks break on orals and then 6 weeks Epidrol to round off this cycle.
25mg and even 50mg is way too weak imo.
I'd recommend you to buy a 2nd bottle and be prepared to go to 100mg at some point.
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RE: HDrol cycle planned - comments invited - May 6 2008 14:20:33
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So how about 50mg for the first week, just to assess tolerence, then up to 75mg if all is well for weeks 2-6?
Point taken about the Inhibit-E for PCT - I'll save it for a stand alone NHA-type cycle some other time. I wonder how it'd work stacked with this bottle of Cissus Drol I've got lying around..  .
So, I'll get some XLean for the PCT. Is the recommended dose enough for cortisol supression during PCT (2xED) or should I go for a higher dose?
Cheers guys,
Jing
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RE: HDrol cycle planned - comments invited - May 6 2008 15:17:28
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Celt
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Still wouldn't bother with the 50mg week, how do you assess tolerance to 75mg of a substance by running 50mg of it? Just run straight at 75 imo, it really is mild 
I've used retain 2 in pct before, was great at 6 caps per day (90 cap bottle) which was double the standard dose. I'm sure X-lean (similar active ingredients but more per cap) would be good at standard dose but I'd be tempted to run at 3 caps per day for 20 days (1 x 60 cap bottle)
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RE: HDrol cycle planned - comments invited - May 6 2008 15:22:27
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either way, if youre going to run it for 6 weeks at any effective dose, you'll need two bottles. Then you can play about with the dose a bit. What weight are you now btw ?
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RE: HDrol cycle planned - comments invited - May 6 2008 19:06:09
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either way, if youre going to run it for 6 weeks at any effective dose, you'll need two bottles. Then you can play about with the dose a bit. What weight are you now btw ?
Hovering around about 75Kgs at about 14% bf (I know it doesn't sound a lot). But I was a proper 9 stone weakling when I started training - I'm also a very light build (we're talking 6.5" wrists here!!) so that looks big on my frame - if you get what I mean? I'm only about 5'7" tall.
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RE: HDrol cycle planned - comments invited - May 6 2008 19:16:29
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75mg for 6 weeks (50mg first week) is fine for a first cycle, IMO
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RE: HDrol cycle planned - comments invited - May 6 2008 19:41:17
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Still wouldn't bother with the 50mg week, how do you assess tolerance to 75mg of a substance by running 50mg of it? Just run straight at 75 imo, it really is mild
Side effects (I'm not really thinking gyno, mpb, spots etc. here - I'm more concerned about my liver and kidneys) are dose-dependent that's why! Having never taken a 17aa-methylated steroid before I'm taking a slightly conservative approach. If the first week goes fine I'll still have 5 weeks on 75mg won't I?
Oh yes, I meant to ask, I'm intending to stop the Liv-52 when I start the Clomid as Clomid isn't known to be liver toxic. Is this right? I guess if I had a Nolva PCT then I would keep taking the Liv-52 through PCT?
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RE: HDrol cycle planned - comments invited - May 6 2008 19:44:48
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Oh yes, I meant to ask, I'm intending to stop the Liv-52 when I start the Clomid as Clomid isn't known to be liver toxic. Is this right?
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I guess if I had a Nolva PCT then I would keep taking the Liv-52 through PCT?
would be better to, but many don't nowadays
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RE: HDrol cycle planned - comments invited - May 6 2008 19:51:06
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Side effects (I'm not really thinking gyno, mpb, spots etc. here - I'm more concerned about my liver and kidneys) are dose-dependent that's why! Having never taken a 17aa-methylated steroid before I'm taking a slightly conservative approach. If the first week goes fine I'll still have 5 weeks on 75mg won't I?
Oh yes, I meant to ask, I'm intending to stop the Liv-52 when I start the Clomid as Clomid isn't known to be liver toxic. Is this right? I guess if I had a Nolva PCT then I would keep taking the Liv-52 through PCT?
Fair enough mate, your body your choice and I don't blame you at all.
Your thoughts on liv-52 are spot on
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RE: HDrol cycle planned - comments invited - May 6 2008 19:52:40
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Oh yes, I meant to ask, I'm intending to stop the Liv-52 when I start the Clomid as Clomid isn't known to be liver toxic. Is this right?
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I guess if I had a Nolva PCT then I would keep taking the Liv-52 through PCT?
would be better to, but many don't nowadays
When you get to my age (mid thirties) you tend to take a conservative view of your body rather than the gung-ho approach many here seem to. Also, I'm a clinical scientist so I've seen what happens to people are gung-ho with these drugs (amongst other things)!
Thanks for you advice Adil, as always, you're the man!
Jing
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RE: HDrol cycle planned - comments invited - May 6 2008 19:57:34
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Fair enough mate, your body your choice and I don't blame you at all.
Your thoughts on liv-52 are spot on
What a jolly nice attitude you got there Celt! I was half expecting a 'don't be a softy, get it down yer neck' response, you have very pleasantly surprised me.
My whole idea of using Clomid over Nolva is because of concerns I have over Nolva's Liver Toxicity. And also, Adil and Firest0rm both say that Nolva gives them pretty unacceptable sides (getting almost killed crossing the road in FireSt0rm's case IIRC!). I have ordered Nolva though in case I get any gyno symptoms on cycle - though from what I've read that's really unlikely with Halodrol.
Thanks for your feedback though Celt, just waiting for my pct meds to arrive now.. I'm excited, but a little bit frightened too.
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RE: HDrol cycle planned - comments invited - May 6 2008 20:50:48
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Daari
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just waiting for my pct meds to arrive now.. I'm excited, but a little bit frightened too.
Be careful. These things can easily turn into an addiction. You'll love the gains etc... while on cycle and want to be constantly on cycle
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RE: HDrol cycle planned - comments invited - May 6 2008 21:49:27
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I got good gains from 75mg for 5 weeks. It's an enjoyable cycle
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RE: HDrol cycle planned - comments invited - May 7 2008 7:52:32
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Fair enough mate, your body your choice and I don't blame you at all.
Your thoughts on liv-52 are spot on
What a jolly nice attitude you got there Celt! I was half expecting a 'don't be a softy, get it down yer neck' response, you have very pleasantly surprised me.
My whole idea of using Clomid over Nolva is because of concerns I have over Nolva's Liver Toxicity. And also, Adil and Firest0rm both say that Nolva gives them pretty unacceptable sides (getting almost killed crossing the road in FireSt0rm's case IIRC!). I have ordered Nolva though in case I get any gyno symptoms on cycle - though from what I've read that's really unlikely with Halodrol.
Thanks for your feedback though Celt, just waiting for my pct meds to arrive now.. I'm excited, but a little bit frightened too.
No worries mate. You feel exactly as I did prior to my first dabble, look forward to hearing about your cycle
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RE: HDrol cycle planned - comments invited - May 8 2008 16:20:25
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I ran 50mg for 4 weeks and gained 9lbs, kept 5 after PCT which i was very pleased with.
The main thing i noticed when taking H Drol was that my muscles went rock hard!
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RE: HDrol cycle planned - comments invited - May 10 2008 14:41:02
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JingPuerh
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One question I haven't asked. How long do you guys find Halodrol takes to kick-in as it were?
And, in what way did you notice it?
Thanks again,
Jing
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Well i am giving it a month or 2 see how i feel i am practically perfect now only have some anxiety feelings if i dont get enough sleep or rest apart from that i am spot on. Had a testosterone test a week ago and the doc said i was perfect for a 30 year old dude so hopfully will start soon on Hdrol as last summer did my 1st Tbol cycle and it went magnificant gained 5kg looked really good, no sides apart from the back pump and some hand sweats . 
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