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RE: Wanted: cheap cheerful NON methylated Cutting stuffs - May 6 2008 22:25:41
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Daari
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to maintain strength while on a cut, cissus-drol may help. No PCT is needed
I haven't tried any non-methyls so cannot comment TBH. The new 3-AD looks promising though. Judging from feedback, 3 tubs of furazadrol may be a good option
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RE: Wanted: cheap cheerful NON methylated Cutting stuffs - May 6 2008 22:25:51
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value wise i would throw a curve ball and go back to suggesting xtreme tren, it has to be thermogenic to some degree from my experience so thats an obvious plus for fat loss plus it will help hold if not increase muscle mass. i also have no muscle cramp ect on it so it doesnt look like it would effect cardio. if you run it at 90mg ed then 1 pot will last you a month.
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RE: Wanted: cheap cheerful NON methylated Cutting stuffs - May 6 2008 22:28:02
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oh and double dose cissus-drol if you dont want to run pct.
other than that furazadrol looks good but i havnt actually tried it.
and also just think you could also look at megadosing x-lean, you would be unlikely to gain any mass but anecdotally it would have the best direct result of fat loss.
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RE: Wanted: cheap cheerful NON methylated Cutting stuffs - May 6 2008 22:38:19
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So to break it down:
1 pot Cissus - 2 caps ED
1 pot Xtreme tren - 3 caps ED
30 days
No PCT?
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RE: Wanted: cheap cheerful NON methylated Cutting stuffs - May 6 2008 22:44:44
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cissus drol has 90 caps per tub. 3 caps a day at normal dosing - No PCT required
Xtreme-tren requires PCT
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RE: Wanted: cheap cheerful NON methylated Cutting stuffs - May 6 2008 22:49:29
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cissus drol has 90 caps per tub. 3 caps a day at normal dosing - No PCT required
Xtreme-tren requires PCT
Ahh sack it, I think Ill roll With some Cissus Drol. I have plenty of options available for future cycles here as im steering clear of methlyated and AA designers from now on.
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RE: Wanted: cheap cheerful NON methylated Cutting stuffs - May 6 2008 22:53:59
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Thanks to all those whom have helped. Great help and very patient with me.
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RE: Wanted: cheap cheerful NON methylated Cutting stuffs - May 7 2008 3:50:40
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Var is not alpha alkalated, its a 17 methyl like most oral roids. Its Primobolan acetate that is alpha alkalated.
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RE: Wanted: cheap cheerful NON methylated Cutting stuffs - May 7 2008 9:11:04
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ORIGINAL: wcrises
Var is not alpha alkalated, its a 17 methyl like most oral roids. Its Primobolan acetate that is alpha alkalated.
[17b-hydroxy-17a-methyl-2-oxa-5a-androstane-3-one]
Doesn't the 17a mean alpha alkalated? Or does it have to be 17aa?
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Although Anavar is an oral steroid, and has been alpha-alkylated to survive oral ingestion and the first pass through the liver, it´s still relatively mild in that respect too...
That's from steroid.com's profiles, whether you pay much attention to them or not.
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RE: Wanted: cheap cheerful NON methylated Cutting stuffs - May 7 2008 10:36:02
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Var is not alpha alkalated, its a 17 methyl like most oral roids. Its Primobolan acetate that is alpha alkalated.
i deffinantly didnt help with my input but in laymans terms as i understand it, all methylated orals are alpha alkylated but the chemical structure of anavar is indeed different so that its widely accepted as less hepatoxic than the other methylated oral steroids. i admit i dont know quite why off the top of my head but i have read that many times over the years.
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RE: Wanted: cheap cheerful NON methylated Cutting stuffs - May 14 2008 13:21:47
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would a SERM be necessary for say 3-4 tabs furazadrol ED for 6 weeks?
How is this for lipids and BP?
I was thinking of running this, with a sachet of cycle insurance ED.
If i need a SERM, would 20mg nolva for 7-10 days cut it?
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RE: Wanted: cheap cheerful NON methylated Cutting stuffs - May 14 2008 13:32:27
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would a SERM be necessary for say 3-4 tabs furazadrol ED for 6 weeks?
IMO, yes
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How is this for lipids and BP?
Not too good for lipids, but fine for BP, IIRC
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If i need a SERM, would 20mg nolva for 7-10 days cut it?
No. standard 3 week protocol. If you only have enough nolva for 7-10 day though, You could run an OTC PCT along with the little amount of nolva you have
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RE: Wanted: cheap cheerful NON methylated Cutting stuffs - May 14 2008 14:40:51
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but I would have to talk to D about that.
Where is 'D' nowadays? Laying low after recent events in the US?
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RE: Wanted: cheap cheerful NON methylated Cutting stuffs - May 14 2008 14:45:16
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ORIGINAL: firest0rm
[17b-hydroxy-17a-methyl-2-oxa-5a-androstane-3-one]
Doesn't the 17a mean alpha alkalated? Or does it have to be 17aa?
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Although Anavar is an oral steroid, and has been alpha-alkylated to survive oral ingestion and the first pass through the liver, it´s still relatively mild in that respect too...
That's from steroid.com's profiles, whether you pay much attention to them or not.
The number is the Carbon atom's number in the steroid molecule. It has two 'spare' bonds (the other two are to neighbouring carbon's) so you have the 17beta and the 17alpha spare. 17b-hydroxy is a posh way of saying it has an OH group on the 17b spare carbon bond. The 17alpha is the other one spare (17a) and the name says 17a-methyl that is, it has a methyl group () on the 17-alpha carbon. Therefore, it's 17-alpha-methylated - easy huh?
From a chemical point of view though, adding a methyl group to the 17alpha carbon is an alkylation. So if something is 17a-alykylated it could still be methylated as that is a member of the things we call alkyl groups!
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RE: Wanted: cheap cheerful NON methylated Cutting stuffs - May 14 2008 18:30:28
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would a SERM be necessary for say 3-4 tabs furazadrol ED for 6 weeks?
IMO, yes
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How is this for lipids and BP?
Not too good for lipids, but fine for BP, IIRC
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If i need a SERM, would 20mg nolva for 7-10 days cut it?
No. standard 3 week protocol. If you only have enough nolva for 7-10 day though, You could run an OTC PCT along with the little amount of nolva you have
Thanks for that...as per :p
Hmm, we I have 12 x 20mg tabs of Nolva. I also have the majority of the bottles of Hyperdrolx2, MassFX, Retain2 and an X-Lean megadose, which I decided to save from my last cycle.
This would probably be more of a cutting cycle - perhaps a lower dose/shorter period would be a better call? I'd rather not do nolva at all as i've mentioned before but if it's necessary here then i'll use what I have left, then try and source clomid for any future DS cycles.
Do you think that 1 sachet of CI will be sufficient?
How do you think this would go with James's cutting diet?
I'd probably do this in July
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RE: Wanted: cheap cheerful NON methylated Cutting stuffs - May 14 2008 20:33:31
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i'll use what I have left, then try and source clomid for any future DS cycles.
You know it makes sense. Clomid all the way!
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Do you think that 1 sachet of CI will be sufficient?
Yes
If you really don't want to use nolva, then hyperdrol x2+mass-fx would do, IMO. I'd throw in a low dose of ATD too (25mg)
You're actually quite unfortunant in the fact that I had come accross a site selling the ORIGINAL "ALRI ULTRA HOT". This was discontinued years ago and repleced with ultra Hotter. It's regarded to be the best OTC PCT available. Don't know why it was discontinued though. They've sold out now (not suprising)
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RE: Wanted: cheap cheerful NON methylated Cutting stuffs - May 14 2008 22:36:13
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Cheers - so should I run the nolva I have then? I imagine it's better than none at all.
Sounds like i've missed out a bit there, never mind
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RE: Wanted: cheap cheerful NON methylated Cutting stuffs - May 14 2008 22:39:44
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Ultra-Hot is amazing. I still have a bottle somewhere, Haven't seen it for sale in a long time though. I've used it many times
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