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New article - OTC Steroids – First Cycle Advice - 07 May 2008 15:11
Member Celt has written a great introductory article to prohormones and OTC steroids.

It can be viewed through the 'articles' tab at the top > Steroid & Performance Drugs Related > then in a new sub-section Over-The-Counter (OTC) Designer Steroids, Prohormones and Testosterone Formulas
Or directly here: http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-otc-steroids.aspx

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RE: New article - OTC Steroids – First Cycle Advice - 07 May 2008 15:46

nice writeup mate
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RE: New article - OTC Steroids – First Cycle Advice - 07 May 2008 16:08
Very informative as usual - thanks!
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RE: New article - OTC Steroids – First Cycle Advice - 07 May 2008 17:20
Nice Celt well done!


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RE: New article - OTC Steroids – First Cycle Advice - 07 May 2008 17:27
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RE: New article - OTC Steroids – First Cycle Advice - 07 May 2008 17:33
hi good article, can I ask how well the PCT works at taking away the side effects? Thanks
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RE: New article - OTC Steroids – First Cycle Advice - 07 May 2008 18:51
Mmmmmm delayed gyno? Now you have me worried as I have decided to go with nolva as my pct for my first superdrol cycle...

I have enough nolva for 2 cycles so IF I did get this delayed gyno could I just start on the nolva again?

great article btw!!
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RE: New article - OTC Steroids – First Cycle Advice - 07 May 2008 18:53
So where is the best place to buy SDROL ? any links?

Are we aloud to ask as its not against the law ?
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RE: New article - OTC Steroids – First Cycle Advice - 07 May 2008 18:57

ORIGINAL: mick_the_brick
nice writeup mate

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RE: New article - OTC Steroids – First Cycle Advice - 07 May 2008 21:24
Excellant read.

I know this is an open ended question, but jsut how common can the side effects be in people!?...assuming everything else (diet, water intake etc)...are spot on.
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RE: New article - OTC Steroids – First Cycle Advice - 07 May 2008 21:28
Really good article, covers all the questions that i asked for my first cycle, genuinley many many people will benefit big thumbs up mate
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RE: New article - OTC Steroids – First Cycle Advice - 07 May 2008 21:39
I think the other thing about this article is that we'll now have a place to refer "newbies" to, and when something is written down in stone so to speak it's generally taken more seriously.


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RE: New article - OTC Steroids – First Cycle Advice - 07 May 2008 22:15

So where is the best place to buy SDROL ? any links?

Are we aloud to ask as its not against the law ?


There are two good clones of SD. Genetic edge and M-drol

Genetic SD can be brought from www.musclefinesse.com

M-drol can be attained from www.extremesupplements.co.uk
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RE: New article - OTC Steroids – First Cycle Advice - 08 May 2008 08:40
Thanks gents, I do respect your opinions so glad to see its been accepted so far



ORIGINAL: jw8725

hi good article, can I ask how well the PCT works at taking away the side effects? Thanks


A serm for pct is very effective at raising test levels back to your body's natural output. Any side effects experienced on cycle will likely decrease fairly swiftly as you commence pct, aside from liver stress if using nolva as your serm (keep using any liver protection throughout pct).



ORIGINAL: shibadybob

Mmmmmm delayed gyno? Now you have me worried as I have decided to go with nolva as my pct for my first superdrol cycle...

I have enough nolva for 2 cycles so IF I did get this delayed gyno could I just start on the nolva again?

great article btw!!


I really wouldn't worry about it. I thought it needed to be in the article as I wanted it to stand as a reference point for beginners to otc steroids and thought it prudent to identify any risks, however it really is an unproven internet runour at present and impossible to verify whether or not there is any truth in it. I use nolva for pct after sd as do many others and I'll continue to do so. If there really is a risk, we're likely talking extremely minimal given the number of successful sd/nolva cycles logged (<1%).

Both clomid and nolva can come with side effects for different people, from reading it appears that clomid gives sides for more than nolva, however clomid is slightly better at getting test production back to normal and is not hepatoxic so carries its own benefits.



ORIGINAL: cu3ed

Excellant read.

I know this is an open ended question, but jsut how common can the side effects be in people!?...assuming everything else (diet, water intake etc)...are spot on.


Yeah sorry mate but I'd find that nigh on impossible to answer. Some things I would say might be true however, for those prone to greasy skin already then spots are likely on the face and back with the pp & sd cycles and possibly the epi, for those prone to male pattern baldness then shedding may be an issue (I am myself however on all the compounds discussed I have noticed no difference - I believe this side effect may well be overplayed by those paranoid about hair loss). Your comment on water intake largely addresses water retention as a side along with control of salt intake. Irritability or aggression are only really much more likely if you were to drink alcohol although these sides are more about the person, i.e the aggressive person may get worse than normal, I'm passive by nature and only notice very slight irritability very occasionally on cycle. The cramps in the lower back and/or shins on sd are fairly likely in week 3 in particular, although on the suggested 20mg cycle these are unlikely to be major.

Internal sides like increased bad cholesterol or increased liver enzymatic acivity are only measurable by blood testing. In reality these short cycles are unlikely to cause major damage as long as the user employs suitable off periods in between cycles. The support supplements mentioned should mitigate these risks to a fair degree.

All of the discussed cycles could be considered mild for their respective compound and I would fairly confidently say that, aside from an individual's unfavourable reaction to a certain compound, sides on any of these cycles should not be considered harsh.
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RE: New article - OTC Steroids – First Cycle Advice - 09 May 2008 00:46
Nice article!
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RE: New article - OTC Steroids – First Cycle Advice - 09 May 2008 07:53
Very good need, an article like this was needed!
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RE: New article - OTC Steroids – First Cycle Advice - 09 May 2008 18:06
Top article Celt.

It was actualy easy to read and nice to see all that info in one place too.
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RE: New article - OTC Steroids – First Cycle Advice - 09 May 2008 18:16
Nice read and all there to see.

I have one question, is superdrol NG the same as the other names under its heading, are there differences?
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RE: New article - OTC Steroids – First Cycle Advice - 10 May 2008 02:19
Well written, basic introductory article to the topic at hand which should serve as a good starting reference point for newbies to be pointed towards. Well done mate

Can I just also add that I am soooooo glad you mention this:

It is often suggested to ramp up usage over the first few days/weeks of a cycle to assess tolerance. Whilst this protocol might have its advantages it is also worth considering that the body may react very differently to 30mg of a compound to how it did to 20mg, therefore rendering ramping up a potentially pointless exercise if the targeted dose is not reached for a number of days.
....because I even bore myself pointing this out to people! You have my eternal gratitude!


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RE: New article - OTC Steroids – First Cycle Advice - 10 May 2008 09:05
top write up buddy!
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