| drewsky -> RE: Dextrose in PWO Shake? (May 14 2008 14:27:14) |
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ORIGINAL: iaink
Good post Drew but this has drifted into athletic perofmance rather than increasing protein balance and therefor chronic changes in muscle mass through a shake, which was my assumption the discssuion was about?
A lot of the above factors will translate into changes in muscle mass. Performace in the setting of good diet and recovery is what hypertrophy is based upon. Increasing protein balance obviously depends upon physiological and biochemical factors and properties but what that translates into and what leads to these 'biochemical/physiological states' is actually much more important for the trainee. As I said, the science is very interesting (it's something I'd like to take further myself) but the results are really what we're interested in.
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ORIGINAL: iaink
From an atheltic persepective some nutrition to help fuel training, particulary longer training bouts, I am sure is in some way benficial, dependent on many factors you have mentioned.
And for repetitive weight training bouts as well, the importance being based upon type of training protocols, goals, frequency etc
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ORIGINAL: iaink
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It allows people to perform at a higher intensity for longer, and concentrate at the same time. Dependent on modality of training Yep!
It is the right intake procedure with regards to reflux, wet burps and other GI distress (this is a good example where CHO type is really important).
It has positive implications for hydration (again CHO type important)
It allows people to recover more quickly - based not only how they feel but how they perform. From repeated bouts of training of course, but this is practice I'm talking about
It allows people a more successful and higher total training volume. Again depenent on modality of exercise Of course, many may not want or need this
It allows people more CHO intake and great total cal load before significant fat mass and weight changes are seen (important for both physique and sport including of course weight class sports) Why would intake at other times non peri (ie imediatly prior and post) not allow this To certain extent they would but this is a specifically very useful time with regards to upregulated glycogen resynthesis etc
It seems to help people on the health side reducing the frequency of illness and injury. What mechnaism exhist to claim this beyond what you feel may happen? With injury decreased fatigue would be the clearest one I would point to which would translate into better movement patters, people not going 'off skill', and better concentration. In terms of illness where is a few things I could guess at but the immune system is so complex with so many components that it would be pure speculation with a large dose of educated guess added. Obviously the endocrine facets of the picture are clear but there's also a lot else going on.
While you make sensible recomendations I feel you are over egging the importance of highly specific peri nutrition, and here I feel 'never the twain shall meet'! [:D] (at least at the monent!)
This has been a good thread!
Over egg, moi?!
Of course mate, it's all shades of grey. I'm open to using anything that will help, and of course it high situation specific I'm just taking a general view and saying what I have found to be useful in most cases. |
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