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RE: Shoulder press front v/s Behind Neck Press v/s Mil... - May 8 2008 12:49:35
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buzzer
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millitary are front presses,i wouldnt touch back-presses as said above more chance of injury and they dont work rear delts.
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RE: Shoulder press front v/s Behind Neck Press v/s Mil... - May 8 2008 15:02:17
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Rear press behind the head are fine if done correctly.This means not lowering the bar belowe hairline at the back
of the head, any lower and the chances of injury increase. Like all excersices warm up properly icrease the weight slowly and you will be fine. The lateral head and rear delts will be worked.
Dumbell press is the only excersice that works all three heads at the same time. The lateral head being the srongest, the anterior being the weakest.
Front press will work the anterior and lateral head.
A point to remember isthe anterior and lateral head will get worked alot more indirectly on chest, curls etc so don,t overload too much!!The rear delt needs more work as is often neglected.
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RE: Shoulder press front v/s Behind Neck Press v/s Mil... - May 8 2008 16:59:19
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dumbell presses work the anterior second most mate not the least ime
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RE: Shoulder press front v/s Behind Neck Press v/s Mil... - May 8 2008 20:23:39
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ORIGINAL: raghav
Military Dumbell Press/Shoulder press front / Behind Neck Press ( any one of them in a schedule)
Lateral Raise
Front Raise
Rear Lateral Raise
Upright Row
horizotnal row ( similar to back but I pull the rope towards my shoulder with arms keeping parallel..I have been told ots a good exercise for back shoulder)
Shrugs(for traps as upright row also targets trap) 
This looks a bit much IMO
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RE: Shoulder press front v/s Behind Neck Press v/s Mil... - May 8 2008 20:28:13
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Recently moved all my overhead work to behind the neck and it has actually eased my shoulder problems.
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RE: Shoulder press front v/s Behind Neck Press v/s Mil... - May 8 2008 20:50:18
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ORIGINAL: carl19
dumbell presses work the anterior second most mate not the least ime
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RE: Shoulder press front v/s Behind Neck Press v/s Mil... - May 8 2008 20:53:47
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Hi Carl
I wasn,t talking about what musle WORKS the most on the excersice, only that the anterior is the weakest of the three muscles
and the lateral the strongest.
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RE: Shoulder press front v/s Behind Neck Press v/s Mil... - May 9 2008 0:14:12
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ORIGINAL: micky
Hi Carl
I wasn,t talking about what musle WORKS the most on the excersice, only that the anterior is the weakest of the three muscles
and the lateral the strongest.
ok coolio 
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RE: Shoulder press front v/s Behind Neck Press v/s Mil... - May 9 2008 7:24:04
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ORIGINAL: micky
Rear press behind the head are fine if done correctly.This means not lowering the bar belowe hairline at the back
of the head, any lower and the chances of injury increase. Like all excersices warm up properly icrease the weight slowly and you will be fine. The lateral head and rear delts will be worked.
Dumbell press is the only excersice that works all three heads at the same time. The lateral head being the srongest, the anterior being the weakest.
Front press will work the anterior and lateral head.
A point to remember isthe anterior and lateral head will get worked alot more indirectly on chest, curls etc so don,t overload too much!!The rear delt needs more work as is often neglected.
rear delts are worked with rows or rear lateral raises not press behind neck,which works the same muscles as front-presses ,but front presses have less chance of shoulder probs.
check on hear no rear delts used http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/DeltoidAnterior/BBBehindNeckPress.html
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RE: Shoulder press front v/s Behind Neck Press v/s Mil... - May 9 2008 8:08:06
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@ buzzer
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check on hear no rear delts used http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/DeltoidAnterior/BBBehindNeckPress.html
This is the link that i also referred and made me think ....
@micky
Thanx for the link....but as of now its contradictory information from all over places
I personally like press behind neck because I find them more smooth in range of motion as oppose to front press where one has to adjust the face while bringing the bar up..
but ever since I have heard this injury thing I am scared because shoulder injury is the last thing I would want ....
anyway I think press behind neck can be done with relatively light weight (so as to avoid injury) to ruffle up the schedule once in a while ..
I have posted this question in other forums too and majority are of the opinion against behind neck ......
I am waiting for more replies ..
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RE: Shoulder press front v/s Behind Neck Press v/s Mil... - May 9 2008 8:35:16
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Injuries with Behind the Neck Press
The behind-the-neck press is a common exercise. In fact, everyone who picks up a weight tries it at some point. Some stick with it, and some don't, but generally speaking, those who drop it from their routines do so permanently. There are a number of reasons for that.
The main problem involves shoulder girdle flexibility-two components of the behind-the-neck press require more flexibility than the military, or front, press requires. The first is the starting position, where your shoulders are raised and externally rotated; that is, a position of full lateral rotation of the shoulders while they're abducted, It's the same whether you perform the exercise seated or standing-your upper arms are parallel to the floor as your forearms point straight up.
The second component that requires shoulder girdle flexibility is the ability to pull your shoulders back into a military posture, or scapular retraction, while maintaining the externally rotated position. If you can do those two things, then you have the necessary flexibility to perform behind-the-neck presses. If you don't, you should avoid the exercise. Otherwise, you invite injury and setbacks.
The problem is usually that the muscles that effect internal shoulder rotation, the agonists of the movement, are too tight. They include the pectoralis major, or pec; the teres major, or upper lat; latissimus dorsi, or at; and the subscapularis, which is part of the rotator cuff. While the anterior, or front, delt isn't one of the internal rotators, it, too, can prevent external rotation if it's too tight.
If you can't achieve full external rotation of the shoulders, then the external rotators of the rotator cuff-the infraspinatus and teres minor-must work too hard against the internal rotators in addition to supporting the shoulder joint during the pressing motion. Simply put, the external rotators can't overcome the excessive tightness and mass of the internal rotators. It causes too much strain. When you add the weight of the barbell, the muscles become overburdened and are subjected to a form of mechanical strain that produces injuries. Needless to say, that stress can cause shoulder pain stemming from a strain of the rotator cuff, the biceps tendon, the deltoid, the bursa (a fluid-filled sac that assists in protecting tendons from erosion) or the ligaments of the joint.
All that said, there's another problem that results from performing behind-the-neck presses when you have poor flexibility. Trainees who cannot achieve the necessary range of motion with their shoulders usually compensate by rounding their upper backs and lowering their necks to angle the neck and head forward. That gets the neck out of the way so the bar can travel behind it, but it also makes matters worse because the shoulder must try even harder to make the bar travel upward, and the neck drops to a less stable position. The upper trapezius, which is attached to the neck, works very hard when you do behind-the-neck presses, and the contraction of the trapezius produces significant force on your neck, especially if the neck isn't stable. Note that this neck strain can occur even if you have an adequate range of shoulder motion, but a poor range will add to it.
Another potential for injury occurs when trainees strain to get one more rep at the end of a set, and their necks strain excessively in the press position, as discussed above. The neck isn't an accessory muscle in this lift. The safest position is to hold it somewhat, but not completely, relaxed.
Excessive neck strain can damage one of the disks between the bony vertebrae in the neck, causing it to herniate, or protrude, and producing nerve damage. That can be a serious problem, the symptoms of which include pain radiating down the arm; numbness in the arm or hand; weakness of the shoulder, arm or hand muscles; and possible atrophy of certain muscles. I If you can do this exercise, another way to make it easier and a little safer is to start in the top position, using a power rack with the bar hooks- not the long pins-set high.
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RE: Shoulder press front v/s Behind Neck Press v/s Mil... - May 9 2008 13:44:25
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been doing behind the neck press/jerk for awhile now, no problems what so ever, only good gains
ive got pretty broad shoulders anyways so im very flexible with such exercises
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RE: Shoulder press front v/s Behind Neck Press v/s Mil... - May 9 2008 13:52:22
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Hi buzzer,
The admin. to this site was an assessor at www.wabba.co.uk
of which I studied Kinesiology with and having checked my previous notes
the rear delt is used,but, my-freind I,m not going to waste any more time over the
issue I,m sure we both are above going on & on who,s right and wrong
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RE: Shoulder press front v/s Behind Neck Press v/s Mil... - May 9 2008 15:19:27
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Another fan of PBN here,buzzer if you place your hand on your opposite delt and simulate both front and PBN you can clearly feel the difference you can feel the side and rear delt contract strongly with the PBN.
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