Erekose i don't think you understand my post.
It's hard a **** to be big and ripped without steroids. There are a good few people i know in my small village that fit this description, and all use gear.
There are LOADS of young guys who train around here, natural, who have trained for ages, and don't come close.
If you see a guy, weighing 15 stone, ripped, then he's almost deffo gonna be on gear. How many genetic freaks do you see walking aroung, NATURAL?
Well then, excuse my bluntness, you must have **** genetics for traps. 90% of gear users' traps blow up.
And your third statement, then yes it can be controlled. BUT AGAIN, You don't see many natural guys, all bloated up with horrendous back acne.