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RE: Respect - May 8 2008 23:05:19
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I agree about respect-although this is an open forum-so if its not for sale don't put it in the window 
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RE: Respect - May 8 2008 23:05:51
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people slagging off peoples pics has been going on for years
some people play the victim, some people are plainly out of order and jump on members straight away
some members dont help themselves, others are just jumped on
erm, there you go, not really a good point, or adding to the arguement, i had a post planned but forgot what i was going to put 
ahh that was it, i find it quite alarming that people can get upset about what is said on an internet forum
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RE: Respect - May 8 2008 23:09:47
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the forum had a much better atmosphere a few years ago mate, alot more respectfull, and a nicer more friendly place to be.
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RE: Respect - May 8 2008 23:12:50
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the forum had a much better atmosphere a few years ago mate, alot more respectfull, and a nicer more friendly place to be.
daz mate, i originally joined in january 2006 mate
i also remember that there was not as many members, it was busy but not this busy not sure if this is why
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RE: Respect - May 8 2008 23:21:05
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the forum had a much better atmosphere a few years ago mate, alot more respectfull, and a nicer more friendly place to be.
daz mate, i originally joined in january 2006 mate
i also remember that there was not as many members, it was busy but not this busy not sure if this is why
maybe, though i think its more about peoples attitudes as a result of their being more members, people think they can do or say anything, which of course they can, but then it just turns into one big argument, and ruins it for the rest of us
MT is still the best board on the net, and just about the only training related forum i use, though i have joined many over the years. i love it and want to see it stay great
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RE: Respect - May 8 2008 23:23:07
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maybe, though i think its more about peoples attitudes as a result of their being more members, people think they can do or say anything, which of course they can, but then it just turns into one big argument, and ruins it for the rest of us
MT is still the best board on the net, and just about the only training related forum i use, though i have joined many over the years. i love it and want to see it stay great
fair enough mate
i'll leave it there as i dont really have anything to add to the arguement, i do agree with you though 
however i may be fingered as one of the culprits so i shall leave it there, to be fair i remember a51m received bad press off most of the board as well about a year ago
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RE: Respect - May 8 2008 23:28:26
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comments were passed about how many photos he posted, i think if you were to check back through the posts i was one of the first to make a lighthearted joke about it, but it was just that. unfortunately people went way over the top, and hounded the guy untill he stopped posting, he came back recently, only to recieve a barrage of abuse for no reason
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RE: Respect - May 8 2008 23:31:27
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daz, i posted a post back in the day sticking up for him and sloagging off people who slagged him off
cant remember exactly how it went but there was a split opinion, this was some time ago
i argued the fact of no knocking ambition and determination, as well as keenness
yes he posted too many pics, and some members tried to advise him to post pics less often in his journal
this respect thing is not a new thing, there are however more cases popping up, as mentioned in my OP some justified, some not
constructive criticism is different to bullying, all be it on the internet
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RE: Respect - May 8 2008 23:52:59
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Good post scruffy
I think alot of you are missing the point. Just 4 weeks after we've started the new weight loss section, targeted specifically at the overweight non-weight trainers, and people post derogotary comments about the very user group we're welcoming here........
Errr - are some of you too thick to see further than your noses?
MT needs to have a polite, warm and welcoming atmosphere - which we need to encourage.
TONY you asked a very fair question as to what we're going to do about it? We have a few ideas, based along our previous actions - basically just locking / deleting these topics without entering into debate. But MT moves so quickly just a couple of hours before a mod sees a topic - so we need members like you to 1) report the topic to a mod, and 2) To post in the topic 'Topic reported to a mod, please do not post for now until a moderator has commented' - that would be really helpful.
Otherwise, TONY et al - what are your thoughts on how we (ie mods + loyal members) handle this?
MT goes through negative times from time to time, I guess this is kind of one now, but rest assured I won't let it go downhill
Folks, we arn't asking alot! We're only asking you to respect other members and non-members. We're only asking you not to be rude. Is that really, really that hard? Or are some of you guys just typical examples of the general disrespect seen in the UK society today?
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RE: Respect - May 9 2008 5:32:21
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I didn't mean anything, I don't quite get you.... I comedically referred to your thread as Frankengate as that was the thread everyone was focussing on. And the straw/camel thing was merely highlighting that while your thread wasn't the sole focus of scruffy's points in was the last one in a long line of threads that brought his concerns to the forefront.
No hidden meanings at all, mate 
Ah sorry mate i didnt mean / surgerst there were hidden meanings im just to thick to understand what you said lol 
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RE: Respect - May 9 2008 11:05:40
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I think you have summed it up really well Scruffy. The unpleasentness in some peoples posts, not just relating to the 'Frankengate' saga,but the general forum as a whole gives a negative impression to members, and potential members.
Unfortunately, if one bad comment starts others are quick to jump on the bandwagon and the quality of posts quickly decline. It is a shame if what starts out as light hearted banter then becomes locked due to some members posting irresponsibly.
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RE: Respect - May 9 2008 11:10:53
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do you think some members post utter tripe in the hope they start a flame war and watch the fireworks kick off and then play dumb afterwards?
i admit i rise to the bait and bite when i know i should hold back
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RE: Respect - May 9 2008 11:12:30
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there are a good few members that really only post in general, and post ALOT, 99% of which are banter and piss taking, alot of it aimed at others that arent part of this group. these people need to be removed from the board in my opinion, they contribute nothing and ruin alot of threads, and other half decent threads get lost under piles of nonsense.
Agree with this mate one of the reasons I don't post as much in General anymore to many people trying to make a name for themselves
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RE: Respect - May 9 2008 11:14:38
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we all have respect for certain people and show respect for others ? ..... or so we think.....
We all know times change, i have been posting on this board for nearly seven years (yes i ought to get a life) and still love debating and helping people where i can, along with learning and taking on new ideas....this is what MT has brought to me and this is what i have tried to give back (although not always succesful). many of you will not know me as i read a lot more than i post, mainly in the training forums, but have made some great mates and had a lot of laughs at the various MT meet ups, this to me is what the whole board is about, debating, humour, helping and RESPECTING other members.. i do now believe the latter is disapearing fast..
i popped into general as i was asked by a mate, to be horrified about some of the comments made on a certain guys girl..a page and a half of people calling her a "minger" what sort of respect is this giving to anyone.. we all have different views on people and all see different people in a different way, what right did these people have to comment on her, someone they did not know.. it really saddens me that people can get judged before they get known, if they had nothing worth while to say then why jump on the band wagon and comment in the first place... how would the girl feel if she read those comments, but i suppose the members who made the comments would not be bothered as they would never get to meet her...
how does this sort of thing look to new members, people who want to come on here for help and advice, to get into the best shape they can, with a little help from members, if i was a new member i would certainly be thinking twice, the thought of being rediculed, belittled, how is that gonna effect a persons self esteem and motivation... we all have to start somewhere, we all end up somewhere else, but if someone along the way can give a little time and patience and a push in the right direction then its a start...rather than just sit and rip the pi$$
well this is my rant over, just think before you post and show a little respect, give a little back to MT as we have all benifieted from it in the past...
show some respect
Very good post mate
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RE: Respect - May 9 2008 13:02:11
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Good post scruffy
I think alot of you are missing the point. Just 4 weeks after we've started the new weight loss section, targeted specifically at the overweight non-weight trainers, and people post derogotary comments about the very user group we're welcoming here........
Errr - are some of you too thick to see further than your noses?
MT needs to have a polite, warm and welcoming atmosphere - which we need to encourage.
MT goes through negative times from time to time, I guess this is kind of one now, but rest assured I won't let it go downhill
Folks, we arn't asking alot! We're only asking you to respect other members and non-members. We're only asking you not to be rude. Is that really, really that hard? Or are some of you guys just typical examples of the general disrespect seen in the UK society today?
I'm a new member here and I think this forum is a hell of a lot more welcoming than various other forums on the web, certain forums I use are very clicky, you put your pride and joy up there and are ripped for having the wrong number of cylinders (for example) or the "wrong" opinion, this is a view shared by other minor forum users who I have met in person. We don't want to go down that road.
I think its fair to say that if people bodybuild then they are going to be concerned with thier apperance, if they get the courage to post pics up of themselves people should not be ripping them for it. I like the new wieght loss forum its a good idea, most people who start training want to lose a bit of excess BF.
Muscle talk does have a welcoming atmosphere and people are very encouraging of others from my short experience here, to the credit of you lot! lets keep it that way eh?
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RE: Respect - May 9 2008 13:13:26
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do you think some members post utter tripe in the hope they start a flame war and watch the fireworks kick off and then play dumb afterwards?
i admit i rise to the bait and bite when i know i should hold back
Yes. I think think that Marmite used to post somthing very contraversial and then add sarcastic comments so he could start a flame war.
Others like myself and A5im unintentionally provoked bashings from certain groups of members. Wish the bashings of members and their gf's would stop and people would show more respect.
Plus it seems to be the same nasty people who carry out the bullying. I see the same names time and time again. The way FrankenJim and his girl had the p1ss ripped out of them was sick IMO, must have hurt the guy and he tried his best to only reply to the positive comments and ignore those laughing. Arent we so big when we laugh at others...
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RE: Respect - May 9 2008 15:20:50
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Good post scruffy
I think alot of you are missing the point. Just 4 weeks after we've started the new weight loss section, targeted specifically at the overweight non-weight trainers, and people post derogotary comments about the very user group we're welcoming here........
Errr - are some of you too thick to see further than your noses?
MT needs to have a polite, warm and welcoming atmosphere - which we need to encourage.
MT goes through negative times from time to time, I guess this is kind of one now, but rest assured I won't let it go downhill
Folks, we arn't asking alot! We're only asking you to respect other members and non-members. We're only asking you not to be rude. Is that really, really that hard? Or are some of you guys just typical examples of the general disrespect seen in the UK society today?
I'm a new member here and I think this forum is a hell of a lot more welcoming than various other forums on the web, certain forums I use are very clicky, you put your pride and joy up there and are ripped for having the wrong number of cylinders (for example) or the "wrong" opinion, this is a view shared by other minor forum users who I have met in person. We don't want to go down that road.
I think its fair to say that if people bodybuild then they are going to be concerned with thier apperance, if they get the courage to post pics up of themselves people should not be ripping them for it. I like the new wieght loss forum its a good idea, most people who start training want to lose a bit of excess BF.
Muscle talk does have a welcoming atmosphere and people are very encouraging of others from my short experience here, to the credit of you lot! lets keep it that way eh?
Nice to have a positive post mate - thanks
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RE: Respect - May 9 2008 16:25:54
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2) To post in the topic 'Topic reported to a mod, please do not post for now until a moderator has commented' - that would be really helpful.
I believe this would actually cause more animosity between members.
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Otherwise, TONY et al - what are your thoughts on how we (ie mods + loyal members) handle this?
I appreciate how difficult a task it is to Mod such a large forum as MT and your never going to please everyone which ever way you run it.
Personally I'm a fan of the way in which Jack Hammer moderates.
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RE: Respect - May 9 2008 16:39:45
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oops i have just realised i knew nothing of the thread in fat loss, so i am not a culprit as i stated earlier in one of my posts
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RE: Respect - May 9 2008 16:44:48
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Hello James, to respond to your question on how the mods run the board I'd like to say that I think you all do a very good job! Unfortunately, you don't get the support from some members who seem incapable of self-moderation of what they post. Even in this thread we have seen some members of the opinion that because this is the internet we should not take offense at what is posted. This is despite the numerous posts in which you and your colleagues have stated that people can and do take offense at what is posted on the internet.
So, even though as Mods you have asked people to be respectful of those who may find some posts offensive or off-putting, there are those that want to argue against it. To that end, I think the easiest way to moderate the board is to simply lock/delete threads as deemed to be appropriate by the Mod concerned. I don't think the Mods should have to justify why a thread is locked/deleted, I'm sure the reason why you and Jason have appointed these mods is because you trust that they will use their discretion when evaluating a thread and because they will enforce the rules that you have both determined to be necessary.
I believe that the Mods do have a duty of care to ALL members of the board and it should not be undermined by a minority who want to treat MuscleTalk as a boys club and will stick two fingers up at anyone who dares to call them to task over their behavior on the forum.
You relaxed the rules on what could be posted, we've now seen that you gave an inch and some members took a mile, so the only way forward is to crack the whip. I can't see any of your loyal members leaving in objection to a hardline of moderation, it'll likely be those who have nothing of real relevance to contribute to the forum and were only here for pub banter.
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