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RE: Respect - May 9 2008 19:19:56
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j man
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I totally agree with every mentioned here - I posted similar to this some months back as this was my general feeling about the board and it got locked. However, I am glad that a mod has posted something like this. Yes, mild banter is fine to an extend but when I am certainly of the view that some MT members are more than likely to jump on the 'knocking' band wagon - it prevents me from posting.
The forum should be welcoming to all members and especially new members seeking advice and encouragement - I often think that new members are often looked down on despite may be having a wealth of training experience and knowledge. I think that with a little consideration, the forum can quickly be a better place to visit.
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we all have respect for certain people and show respect for others ? ..... or so we think.....
We all know times change, i have been posting on this board for nearly seven years (yes i ought to get a life) and still love debating and helping people where i can, along with learning and taking on new ideas....this is what MT has brought to me and this is what i have tried to give back (although not always succesful). many of you will not know me as i read a lot more than i post, mainly in the training forums, but have made some great mates and had a lot of laughs at the various MT meet ups, this to me is what the whole board is about, debating, humour, helping and RESPECTING other members.. i do now believe the latter is disapearing fast..
i popped into general as i was asked by a mate, to be horrified about some of the comments made on a certain guys girl..a page and a half of people calling her a "minger" what sort of respect is this giving to anyone.. we all have different views on people and all see different people in a different way, what right did these people have to comment on her, someone they did not know.. it really saddens me that people can get judged before they get known, if they had nothing worth while to say then why jump on the band wagon and comment in the first place... how would the girl feel if she read those comments, but i suppose the members who made the comments would not be bothered as they would never get to meet her...
how does this sort of thing look to new members, people who want to come on here for help and advice, to get into the best shape they can, with a little help from members, if i was a new member i would certainly be thinking twice, the thought of being rediculed, belittled, how is that gonna effect a persons self esteem and motivation... we all have to start somewhere, we all end up somewhere else, but if someone along the way can give a little time and patience and a push in the right direction then its a start...rather than just sit and rip the pi$$
well this is my rant over, just think before you post and show a little respect, give a little back to MT as we have all benifieted from it in the past...
show some respect
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RE: Respect - May 9 2008 19:51:21
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scruffy
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I totally agree with every mentioned here - I posted similar to this some months back as this was my general feeling about the board and it got locked. However, I am glad that a mod has posted something like this. Yes, mild banter is fine to an extend but when I am certainly of the view that some MT members are more than likely to jump on the 'knocking' band wagon - it prevents me from posting.
The forum should be welcoming to all members and especially new members seeking advice and encouragement - I often think that new members are often looked down on despite may be having a wealth of training experience and knowledge. I think that with a little consideration, the forum can quickly be a better place to visit.
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totally agree with your comments, i am glad there is positive feed back so the members at question will start to think before they reply
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RE: Respect - May 9 2008 20:30:50
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It must be a very tricky one to get right, and I have every sympathy for you and your team. Every time this comes up there shows a clear divide between those who want very strict moderation and those that don't. Personally, with reference to the above quote I prefer Drab's moderation - to me I think he has the balance exactly right. But then, that's the balance accordingly to me and obviously not others! That's not to say that I'm not in favour of slapping a few wrists (metaphorically speaking of course) if necessary - there are quite clearly those here that just post to take the piss or create friction. I agree with others that you are probably understaffed in the mod department at the moment, but then I equally appreciate that you can't just grab perfect mods out of thin air.
To answer and to neb as well - there are some potential mods, but there's more to being a mod than just the attirbutes mentioned above. I've been chosing mods for 7.5 years now and I have made some right poor decisions, but I now get a feel for mods - and what 'type' of mod they are. For example our three most recent additions: drewsky - because of his knowldge; Hazel because she's needed to help me run the forum; LMC because of his posting manor.
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also agree that people need to be encouraged to use the 'report a post' function more when appropriate. One quick query about that though: I've used it a few times and the way the software appears to work is that it randomly chooses a mod. I've had my reports go to 'MuscleTalk Message' before now, or a mod that has been on holiday - do all mods get to see the report or just the person the report was sent to? If it's the latter it might not be quite so effective as described above.
MT Message is me (if you didn't guess) - but yes the tickets are randomly sent to a mod of the forum in question, but there is always the 'ticket list' at the top.
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RE: Respect - May 9 2008 20:35:42
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It's easy to simply lock a thread or ban someone; it's harder to to talk that person round into becoming a decent member, which is ultimately more productive for everyone.
Depends on the individual.
Moderating is a team approach. Styles of different individuals in the team make the team, and the team makes the board work. You are quite right in your comment here - and a few years ago, I have personally adopted this approach - and it has worked. I ahve 'had a word' with a number of members and it's been better all round and also been less work for me.
One thing though, depsite what I have been accused of by members before, banning is a last resort and I hate banning people. The only members who get banned straight away are the blatent newly signed up trolls.
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RE: Respect - May 9 2008 20:38:32
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To answer and to neb as well - there are some potential mods, but there's more to being a mod than just the attirbutes mentioned above. I've been chosing mods for 7.5 years now and I have made some right poor decisions, but I now get a feel for mods - and what 'type' of mod they are. For example our three most recent additions: drewsky - because of his knowldge; Hazel because she's needed to help me run the forum; LMC because of his posting manor.
Thanks for the response. I realise that mod selection is more than the few points I've mentioned above. I guess given that MT is a business for you, unlike most BB forums, you really do need to get mod selection nailed. Still after 7.5 years you should be pretty much there!
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MT Message is me (if you didn't guess) - but yes the tickets are randomly sent to a mod of the forum in question, but there is always the 'ticket list' at the top.
I thought it probably was, but I wondered if the reports were visible to all mods - ie you didn't have to log into the MT Message manually to see it, if you see what I mean.
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RE: Respect - May 9 2008 21:25:27
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I've been chosing mods for 7.5 years now and I have made some right poor decisions, but I now get a feel for mods
With due respect James I think thats an unprofessional comment to make as it casts doubts over quite a few 'unnamed' people and thats unfair IMO.
My final words as a Mod were that relaxed Modding would not work and it was the wrong way to go. History has proved me right. 
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RE: Respect - May 9 2008 21:32:02
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Overly strict modding on its own doesn't work either. Relaxed modding works when it's in tandem with strict modding.
I agree, and I think that on the whole the entire mod team balance out that way. There's a few that are very strict (seemingly at least) and there's some that are not so, and the rest in the middle depending upon mood! I think it works well, as one has to bear in mind that no forum of MT's size is ever going to be totally free of troublemakers.
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RE: Respect - May 9 2008 21:44:52
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I've been chosing mods for 7.5 years now and I have made some right poor decisions, but I now get a feel for mods
With due respect James I think thats an unprofessional comment to make as it casts doubts over quite a few 'unnamed' people and thats unfair IMO.
My final words as a Mod were that relaxed Modding would not work and it was the wrong way to go. History has proved me right.
James, I`m surprised to here you say that, more for the fact that from my time here I can only think of one and to be fair before things got a bit out of hand this person was a valued member and Mod, personally I think your choices have been very good.
Rich, I wouldn`t take that comment personally mate, take it from me you were a Mod of the highest order and had a great deal of respect from a hell of a lot of members( and other Mods too I`m sure).
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RE: Respect - May 9 2008 23:08:03
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Surely more Mods would solve most of the issues?
I don't know what goes into getting new mods and I guess I'm one of the tripe posters many are going on about but sometimes at night for instance, you can go for hours with no mods online.
More mods, maybe just having authority in general, maybe one of the more sensible 'General whores' who are in general more than most would stop any crap in it's tracks?
Just a thought
i dont think you realsie across the forums how many new posts and added threads are made in an hour let alone a night...
imo mods gotta be earned, people that been here along time, post well, respect other peoples opinions and etc deserve to be mods like lord monkcheese just recently become one, welldone again.
more mods wont solve it, would in a way... but aslong as you know who the mods where and messaged them if you had a prob... then it would get taken from there
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RE: Respect - May 10 2008 3:41:29
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I believe that this board is one of the best Moderated boards I go on-so many Mods let down right abuse go un punished-Its like a mini society with its different opinons that all add to the popularity of the board.
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RE: Respect - May 10 2008 4:48:09
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Surely more Mods would solve most of the issues?
I don't know what goes into getting new mods and I guess I'm one of the tripe posters many are going on about but sometimes at night for instance, you can go for hours with no mods online.
More mods, maybe just having authority in general, maybe one of the more sensible 'General whores' who are in general more than most would stop any crap in it's tracks?
Just a thought
good idea I say, I know suggestions are not normally requested with regard to mods, but the likes of Pagan, Johnovmanchester, H20, bigdownunder etc. would be good as general mods all imho
feel free to delete if suggestions aren't welcome 
got to laugh at everyone pouring their hearts out about management of an internet forum and those suggesting names of new moderators 
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RE: Respect - May 10 2008 8:54:53
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Surely more Mods would solve most of the issues?
I don't know what goes into getting new mods and I guess I'm one of the tripe posters many are going on about but sometimes at night for instance, you can go for hours with no mods online.
More mods, maybe just having authority in general, maybe one of the more sensible 'General whores' who are in general more than most would stop any crap in it's tracks?
Just a thought
good idea I say, I know suggestions are not normally requested with regard to mods, but the likes of Pagan, Johnovmanchester, H20, bigdownunder etc. would be good as general mods all imho
feel free to delete if suggestions aren't welcome
got to laugh at everyone pouring their hearts out about management of an internet forum and those suggesting names of new moderators
and the point of this reply is ?
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RE: Respect - May 10 2008 8:56:26
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I've been chosing mods for 7.5 years now and I have made some right poor decisions, but I now get a feel for mods
With due respect James I think thats an unprofessional comment to make as it casts doubts over quite a few 'unnamed' people and thats unfair IMO.
My final words as a Mod were that relaxed Modding would not work and it was the wrong way to go. History has proved me right.
i am sure it was not aimed at you at all Tri, i could name same wrong choices but would not be fair to those
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RE: Respect - May 10 2008 9:14:08
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got to laugh at everyone pouring their hearts out about management of an internet forum and those suggesting names of new moderators
Eh?......an example of pouring one's heart out is....
"I bloody loved that girl, she was my life....she threw it in my face!!!!."
Here is not an example of pouring one's heart out....
" Pagan, Johnovmanchester, H20, bigdownunder etc. would be good as general mods"
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RE: Respect - May 10 2008 9:51:41
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not being funny or out, but when i joined this forum a few years ago, as a 17 year old newbie full of rubbish, you (scruffy) were one of the few members who didn't give me respect
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RE: Respect - May 10 2008 9:56:00
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A thread about respect and the mud slinging has started.
Shame.
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RE: Respect - May 10 2008 9:56:52
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A thread about respect and the mud slinging has started.
Shame.
well i remember scruffy having a go at me for hypocrisy a few years back....
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RE: Respect - May 10 2008 10:01:18
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Cheggers, maybe as a 17 year old you misunderstood what was being said to you or you didn't deserve respect because of your attitude back then. Would be interesting to go back those 4 years now and read what you both put, maybe you would see it in a different light.
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RE: Respect - May 10 2008 10:02:40
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I think the point has been missed here. You say yourself that this particular incident occured a couple of years back. I think comments like this are destructive especially considering they are so in the past - we all learn and move on. This forum needs to operate on an adult to adult basis and not drag up past incidents that occured years back.
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A thread about respect and the mud slinging has started.
Shame.
well i remember scruffy having a go at me for hypocrisy a few years back....
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