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Goal: *manbreasts* to 'Pecs'! Velocity Diet 2008:PICTURES~PAGE 3,4~ - 15 December 2004 21:02
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15/12/2004

OK!

Just thought I'd get the topic under and away,

been at it for 5 months now (3 months proper weight lifting and 2 months just casualy lifting) - starting a more strict diet and bodybuilding plan for the new year, pics will be up and all the other info just as soon as i can do it

Personal Info:

Height: 5'9 and a half
weight: 147lb
age: 16


PRESENT STATS (6th October 2005)

Weight: 180lb
age: 17


more updates on lifting stats comming soon.



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RE: Goal: From **manbreats** to 'Pecs'! -pics - 16 December 2004 10:36
barton, did i miss somethign - were are the pics dude?

i'm keen to see what progress you've made

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RE: Goal: From **manbreats** to 'Pecs'! -pics - 16 December 2004 20:21
Pics will be up soon when I get my camera

When I say I've been at it for 5 months I don't strictly mean 5 months, I've been doing crappy, disorganised training which was basically just medicore all-body part training using just one exercise for each.

I've now started a strict body building routine with a diet, and I'll start posting pics of my progress.

I have heard that you have had gyno problems, after reading one of your posts about it (can't remember which thread) it gives me MAJOUR motivation (judging from your before and after pics) to strive for a better body! :D

more info on diet and routine comming soon!

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RE: Goal: From **manbreats** to 'Pecs'! -pics - 17 December 2004 20:54
Ok, So here my routine, I've taken up Cashman's routine with a few additions advised by him

MONDAY - Delts/traps
5 min warm-up
Seated Dumbell military press 3 sets 6-8 reps
Lateral dumbell raises (side) 3 sets 6-8 reps (last to fail)
Barbell Shrugs 5 sets 6-8 reps
Curl-to-Press – Dumbbell 3 sets 6-8 reps
20 minutes Running on Treadmill

TUESDAY

REST & Cardio (60 mins running on treadmill)

WEDNESDAY - Legs & Abs

5 min warm-up
Barbell Squats 4 sets 6-8 reps
Stiff Legged Dead Lifts 3 sets 6-8 reps
Calf Raises 4 sets 8-10 reps (last set to fail)
Weighted Swiss Ball crunches 4x sets 6-8 reps
hanging leg raises 4x sets 6-8 reps
Dumbell side bends 3x sets 6-8 reps
20 minutes running on Treadmill

THURSDAY
REST & Cardio (60 mins running on treadmill)

FRIDAY - Chest/Tri
5 Min warm-up
Dumbell Flat Bench - 4 sets 6-8 reps
Weighted Dips For Chest - 4 sets 6-8 reps (last set to failure)
Incline Dumbell Fly- 4 sets 6-8 reps (last set to failure)
Skull Crushers - 3 sets 6-8 reps (or close grip bench press)
overhead cable presses 3 sets 6-8 reps (last set to fail) (or close grip bench presses)
20 minutes Running on Treadmill

SATURDAY - Back/Bi
5 min warm-up
Deadlifts 4 sets 6-8 reps (last set to failure)
Bent Over One Arm Dumbell Rows 4 sets 6-8 reps
Lat pulldowns 3 sets 6-8 reps (last set to fail)
Barbell Bicep curl 3 sets 6-8 reps
One arm Dumbell Hammer curls 3 sets 6-8 reps
20 minutes Running on Treadmill

SUNDAY

REST & Cardio (60 mins running on treadmill )

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RE: Goal: From **manbreats** to 'Pecs'! -pics - 17 December 2004 21:40
barton my man , good to have you on board, that sir, is one helluva weeks worth of training ......

As i train at home i need to keep it simple:

Back:
deadlifts x 4 [] rows x 4[] chins x 4[] curls x 4
chest
bench x 4 [] military press x 4 [] incline d/b press x 4 [] dips x 4
legs
squats x 4 [] SLDL x 4 [] calf raises x 4

However , i am far from an expert so it will be good to see how you get on, and i think i speak for everyone on MT when i say .......... lets see the manbreasts !!
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RE: Goal: From **manbreats** to 'Pecs'! -pics - 12 January 2005 00:12
Alright guys, here are the well awaited pics. WARNING! These pictures are not pleasant AT ALL. So its at your own risk if you view 'em :P

Pics where taken 2 days ago, considering I already started lifting weights 3 months ago (with no routine or diet - just did as much reps as i could)

But now, I have a strict routine with diet plan to get me going.
















ARMS



Full on view



Side view




Another side


Worse pic of all...
















ok, I dont know how i get the "arms" pic so big, the urls imageshack gives are so confusing. Anyway, I know its really bad, but its all fat that somehow gathered due to some sort of hormonal unbalance (its NOT GYNO...at least i dont think it is) Whatch me burn all this sh*t away by summer :D



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RE: Goal: From **manbreats** to 'Pecs'! -pics - 12 January 2005 00:41
Wow. good luck mate

gyno? ;)

Be good to see your progression
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RE: Goal: From **manbreats** to 'Pecs'! -pics - 12 January 2005 15:26
I'd be quite interested to see what theweeninjaguy has to say


Today's workout is legs & abs:

WEDNESDAY - Legs & Abs
5 min warm-up
Barbell Squats 4 sets 6-8 reps
Stiff Legged Dead Lifts 3 sets 6-8 reps
Calf Raises 4 sets 8-10 reps (last set to fail)
weighted sit-up 4x sets 6-8 reps
hanging leg raises 4x sets 6-8 reps
Dumbell side bends 3x sets 6-8 reps
20 minutes running on Treadmill


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RE: Goal: From **manbreats** to 'Pecs'! -pics - 13 January 2005 20:40
dude - looks a bit like gyno

i'm assuming you're not on steroids or ph!

actually i got gyno before i started any AAS etc so it's not uncommon

your doctor should be able to get you in for surgery to reduce the tissue but this can take time. it will also be a bit embarrassing as you'll ahve to continually say that you don't like having this tissue.

that would be your best and safest option as surgery could certainly get rid of it. cos £3000 for me to get one side done thru bupa and obviously was free on the NHS

however, i'd suggest doing a course of nolvadex as this has been very sucessful for me in reducing gyno - will take a little while but it should certinaly reduce the size of the breast tissue.

i'd say novadex at 60mg for 3 days and 40mg for say 2 weeks dropping down to 20mg for a further 2 weeks or until you're happy that you've had some reduction. nolvadex certainly won;t do any harm!

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RE: Goal: From **manbreats** to 'Pecs'! -pics - 13 January 2005 20:44
is your gyno hard of soft?

nolva will only reduce the size of hard lumps not totally reverse the gyno but it works well on soft tissue

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RE: Goal: From **manbreats** to 'Pecs'! -pics - 13 January 2005 20:45
nolvadex is certianly worth a try.

if it's fat tho you'll ahve to try adn get your body fat% right down

you can use clenbuterol adn ECA to help with taht

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RE: Goal: From **manbreats** to 'Pecs'! -pics - 13 January 2005 22:08
Sorry to take your journal off topic, but what is gyno? From what I've read, sounds like a nipple disease. Am I correct?
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RE: Goal: From **manbreats** to 'Pecs'! -pics - 13 January 2005 22:47

ORIGINAL: cricket_fire

Sorry to take your journal off topic, but what is gyno? From what I've read, sounds like a nipple disease. Am I correct?


nah mate. Basicaly its the overgrown breast tissue in men, otherwise known as "man breasts". Its not a desease of any type. google it up and you'll get heaps of info
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RE: Goal: From **manbreats** to 'Pecs'! -pics - 14 January 2005 00:11

you can use clenbuterol adn ECA to help with taht



At that young age, i ain't sure if thats wise to throw that into the mix
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RE: Goal: From **manbreats** to 'Pecs'! -pics - 14 January 2005 00:14
gyno is where oestrogen acts on a guy's body to produce female sexual characteristis - or breasts as we like to call them!

can happen in puberty where the natural test levels increase very rapidly and some of this test aromatizes into oestrogen giving the man breast problem. also happens in very fat people altough i'm not sure how this occurs so i won't try and bluff my way in it!

talk to your doctor about it - if they're any good they should be able to advise. unfortunatelly most are pretty uneducated in the drugs required to reduce gyno - althought it's not uncommon these are GP's and mostly treat common ailments so they'll look up a book and read the drug profile which will say nolvadex is used to treat breast cancer in women and it's a bit unlikely that they'll give you any. although it is used by bber's to reduce gyno and the effects of oestrogen. you'll probably find that the guys on here and in particular our own doc "thedoctor" will be a bit more educated then your GP.

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RE: Goal: From **manbreats** to 'Pecs'! -pics - 14 January 2005 00:16
i too suffer from a '****-chest' my friend even though ive been in the 100kg+ bench club for a while.

strangely mine looks half decent when im cold however when im warm is looks feckin' awful.

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RE: Goal: From **manbreats** to 'Pecs'! -pics - 14 January 2005 11:44
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RE: Goal: From **manbreats** to 'Pecs'! -pics - 14 January 2005 12:17
link on gyno.org discussing the use of nolvadex

Its a brand name for Tamoxifen.

Which has been shown in non controlled clinical trials to have a gynecomastia resolution rate of 80% in pubertal cases.

another one

I had a gyno operation and it grew back some (and the Doc missed some) . I then found out I had low T which cause the regrowth. After fooling around with Hcg/Clomid/Arimidex/ Tamoxifen in various dosages over the course of 18 months I was able to maintain my T level with just 1/4 pill (5 mg) of Tamox/day.

I used it before my 2nd operation and it may have shrunk the Gyne a little but not enough to prevent a 2nd surgery.

I have my blood trested every 2 months and all is well.

The Tamox not only keeps my T up but it also blocks Estrodial at the breast so I won't get any regrowth.

last one! honest

I am aware that even getting prescribed Tamoxifen is not that common for Gyno sufferers, so those who get it via the state are lucky.

The first time I had it back in December was when I was staying in Thailand - got my Gyno diagnosed in a good hospital in Bangkok. A consultant told me to try Tamoxifen (you can literally buy it over the counter anyway there!).

The second time I had it was my own decision, as I had some left over from Thailand.

I do belive Tamoxifen slowed it down, not taken it away as I've left it too late, but I think you should try it.

To be honest if I'd not have got it prescribed, I would have still got it on the black market - I used it before a few times after my steroid courses in the past.

Arimidex does seem an interesting drug - bodybuilders certainly swear by it, although of course it may have more side effects than Tamoxifen.

I think a combination of a low dose of Tamoxifen and a small dose of Arimidex would be a potent attack on Gyno - or at least it would slow it down/reduce it a bit.

But as you say Hypo, for most people it wouldn't be wise at all to do any of this without medical advice.


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RE: Goal: From **manbreasts** to 'Pecs'! -pics - 14 January 2005 13:14
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Nolvadex/Tamoxofen

This remedy is somewhat different from others since it is not an anabolic/androgenic steroid. For male and female bodybuilders, how-ever, it is a very useful and recommended compound which is con-firmed by its widespread use and mostly positive results. Nolvadex belongs to the group of sex hormones and is a so-called antiestrogen. The normal application of Nolvadex is in the treatment of certain forms of breast cancer in female patients. With Nolvadex it is pos-sible to reverse an existing growth process of deceased tissue and prevent further growth. The growth of certain tissues is stimulated by the body's own estrogen hormone. This is especially true for the breast glands in men and women since the body has a large number of estrogen receptors at these glands which can bond with the estro-gens present in the blood. If the body's own estrogen level is unusu-ally high an undesired growth of breast glands occurs. However, in healthy women and particularly in men this is not the case. Despite this, it is mostly male bodybuilders who use Nolvadex, and fewer women. At first sight this seems somewhat inconceivable but when taking a closer look, the reasons are clear. Bodybuilders who take Nolvadex also use anabolic steroids at the same time. Since most steroids aromatize more or less strongly, i.e. part of the substance is converted into estrogens, male bodybuilders can experience a sig-nificant elevation in the normally very low estrogen level. This can lead to feminization symptoms such as gynecomastia (growth of breast glands), increased fat deposits and higher water retention.

The antiestrogen Nolvadex works against this by blocking the es-trogen receptors of the effected body tissue, thereby inhibiting a bonding of estrogens and receptor. It is, however, important to un-derstand that Nolvadex does not prevent the aromatization but only acts as an estrogen antagonist. This means that it does not prevent testosterone and its synthetic derivatives (steroids) from converting into estrogens but only fights with them in a sort of "competition" for the estrogen receptors. This characteristic has the disadvantage that after the discontinuance of Nolvadex a "rebound effect" can occur which means that the suddenly freed estrogen receptors are now able to absorb the estrogen present in the blood. For this reason the combined intake of Proviron is suggested (see Proviron.) Nolvadex is also useful during a diet since it helps in the burning of fat. Al-though Nolvadex has no direct fatburning effect its antiestrogenic effect contributes to keeping the estrogen level as low as possible. Nolvadex should especially be taken together with the strong an-drogenic steroids Dianabol and Anadrol 50, and the various test-osterone compounds. Athletes who have a tendency to retain water and who have a mammary dysfunction should take Nolvadex as a prevention during every steroid intake. Since Nolvadex is very affective in most cases it is no wonder that several athletes can take Anadrol 50 and Dianabol until the day of a competition, and in combination with a diuretic still appear totally ripped in the. limelight. Those who already have a low body fat content will achieve a visibly improved muscle hardness with Nolvadex.

Several bodybuilders like to use Nolvadex at the end of a steroid cycle since it increases the body's own testosterone production -which will be discussed in more detail in the following-to counter-act the side effects caused by the estrogens. These can occur after the discontinuance of steroids when the androgen level in relationship to the estrogen concentration is too low and estrogen becomes the dominant hormone. A very rare but all the more serious problem of Nolvadex is that in some cases it does not lower the estrogen level but can increase it. Another disadvantage is that it can weaken the anabolic effect of some steroids. The reason is that Nolvadex, as we know, reduces the estrogen level. The fact is, however, that certain steroids -especially the various testosterone compounds-can only achieve their full effect if the estrogen level is sufficiently high. Those who are used to the intake of larger amounts of various steroids do not have to worry about this. Athletes however, who predominantly use mild steroids such as Primobolan, Winstrol, Oxandrolone, and Deca-Durabolin should carefully consider whether or not they should take Nolvadex since, due to the compound's already moderate ana-bolic effect, an additional loss of effect could take place, leading to unsatisfying results.

A rarely observed but welcome characteristic of Nolvadex is that it has a direct influence on the hypothalamus and thus, by an in-creased release of gonadotropine, it stimulates the testosterone pro-duction in the testes. This does not result in a tremendous but still a measurable increase of the body's own testosterone. This effect, however, is not sufficient to significantly increase the testosterone production reduced by anabolic/androgenic steroids.

The side effects of Nolvadex are usually low in dosages of up to 30 mg/day In rare cases nausea, vomiting, hot flashes, numbness, and blurred vision can occur. In women irregular menstrual cycles can occur which manifest themselves in weaker menstrual bleeding or even complete missing of a period. Women should also be careful not to get pregnant while taking Nolvadex. It is important for fe-male athletes that Nolvadex and the "pill" not be taken together since the antiestrogen Nolvadex and the estrogen-containing pill nega-tively counterfeit each other. The normal daily dosage taken by athletes corresponds more or less to the dosage indications of the manufacturer and is 10-30 mg/day To prevent estrogenic side ef-fects normally 10 mg/day are sufficient, a dosage which also keeps low the risk of reducing the effect of simultaneously-taken ste-roids. Often it is sufficient if the athlete begins this preventive intake of Nolvadex only three to four weeks after the intake of anabolics. Athletes who have tendencies toward gynecomastia, strong water retention, and increased fat deposits with steroids such as Dianabol, Testosterone, Anadrol 50, and Deca-Durabolin usually take 20-30 mg/day The combined application of Nolvadex 20-30 mg/day and Proviron 25-50 mg/day in these cases leads to excellent results. The same is true for athletes who are in competition, and for women. Women, however, should do without the intake of Proviron or at least reduce the dose to one 25 mg tablet per day. Unfortunately, in most cases, a very pronounced gynecomastia ("b1tch tits") cannot be reduced by taking Nolvadex so that often surgery is required, surgery which is not paid for by health insurance. First signs of a possible gynecomastia are light pain when touching the nipples. The tablets are usually taken 1-2x daily, swallowed whole without chewing, with some liquid during meals.

not all of this is relevant but it gives a little background on the drug.

i'll shut up now - hope some of that was helpful

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