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ORIGINAL: AlasTTTair

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The tragedy of this website has to be seen to be believed.

Another informed opinion I see. Tell me John, why is this company a tragedy? It has improved my life beyond belief!

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Would you like to live like a rock star? Do you have beautiful women chasing after YOU, calling YOU, begging YOU to spend time with THEM? Would you like to be so different and so much better than most men that you stand out like a beacon and give off an energy that women find irresistible?

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“I have jooined 1 week residental course at the end of February. I am really enjoying after coming back to my country.

Well what happened during & after course:

- 10 minutes f-close with a Pollish girl
- Another f-close with same girl
- 4 dates in same week as soon as I came back
- Keeping dating and I forgot lots of thems names

The thing is: If you are failing all the time, then you are doing something wrong. Change it! Remember the time you were success. Touch yourself for a few times (your ear or leg) then approach & open..!”

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"Excuse me. I'm from the FBI, the Fine Body Investigators, and I'm going to have to ask you to assume the position."

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ORIGINAL: Scott32

Personally i think all these books on how to pull etc. are so bleeding obvious on the tips and guide lines it makes me cringe when i read them.

We all no how we "should" act to attract women but its a totally differant matter when your atchually faced with the situation - and this is were many fall short of the hurdle.

You could read all the dating books out there and still lack the self confidence to so much as say hello.

Self confidence is all you need the rest follows suite.

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ORIGINAL: FatboyGinger

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ORIGINAL: Scott32


Self confidence is all you need the rest follows suite.

By far the most important thing IMO. No book can really teach you that

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ORIGINAL: theiopener

Confidence is what is attractive, it what makes you stand out and be noticed. Why do you see gorgeous girlies with goons sometimes?

All people need to learn is how to not act like a loon, speak to them as if they are your friend not like theyre some other worldly object, just go with the flow, worked for me

Very true Eddie. Confidence is the very essence of all of this seduction material, but some people are very unconfident, so knowing exactly what to say, how to stand or merely understanding the concepts behind attraction will do wonders for someone's confidence.

Speaking for myself, before I started reading this information and practicing it, I was very unconfident and unhappy with myself. As soon as I started seeing results, my confidence was immediately raised to extraordinary levels. I am so happy that I found this stuff as it has improved my entire life tenfold!

I think that every man wants to be successful with women and I'm not sure that anyone can be truly happy if romance is missing from their lives. Just my 2p.

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I think these kind of things make it even harder to get with someone.

You are sat there making sure your palms are open, you are not looking down, your eye browse rise every 10 seconds on key and your right foot isn't pointing inwards. If you get one of these thing wrong you will have to run to the toilet and correct it of crouse. By this time the potential mate will have gone. With all this on your mind how can you possably have a good convosation and pull.

Unless you are very akward looking normaly I wouldn't bother with them.

Sorry Jack, but you clearly have no clue what you're talking about. Maybe if you studied the methods, went out and applied them for a few months you'd be fit to comment. I take it you have read some sort of disparaging article in THE MEDIA?

Swift, I'd say stay away from the forums. They are mostly full of bad advice, opinions of people who are not qualified to give advice or have enough hands on experience for you to learn from.

I would recommend reading the Venusian Arts Handbook (or Magic Bullets, though I haven't read this), study it carefully and make sure that you fully understand all the concepts. A good addition to this information would be to watch the Annihilation Method DVDs. Then, you should post on the forums to find a wing in your area (yes the forums are good for something) and go out regularly (sober, I might add) to practice the techniques until you have made thousands of approaches. Believe me, after a few months of doing this, patterns will start to emerge and you will be quite competent at this point.

BTW I am basing this on real life experience (mine), not on an article I read somewhere .

Yeah. I was just making a joke of one of those dating technique programs I've seen. Despite making the poor guys look like idiots alot of the time, the techniques did seem to help alot.

You mean the pickup artist on VH1? I thought it was an awesome show. They were picking up exotic dancers by the end of it.

Swift, if applied correctly by someone who understands the principles they are amazing and WILL produce amazing success.

If you're bodybuilding merely to attract women then yes, jack it in!

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ORIGINAL: CheekyChappie

Most books are written to make the author money, that is nothing to do with whether the content is correct or useful.

I have read quite a lot of this kind of material and have to say that there is a lot of useful things to be learnt. We all know that some people have a natural way with women and others don't. These books are basically trying to analyse exactly what these people do so well, and I think most people who have read the books would have to agree that the information is (on the whole) very logical and fits in with our experience of what women respond to in a man. Sometimes the field can get into slightly questionable pseudoscientific areas (much like NLP can) but the main message is the promotion of self-confidence and status, and who can deny these are two things that women respond to?

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ORIGINAL: AlasTTTair
Or just read one of the ebooks I've recommended . Would rather do that than try and pick up women based on how couples I spy on in the steet treat each other. Especially seeing as "it might not work".

Why over complicate things? Read the information, make notes, go out and practise the techniques, get success. Much more simple (and dignified) than becoming a voyeur.

I would rather check out the real world and make my own conclusions based on real evidence, rather than reading biased books aimed at screwing money out of desperate guys. I have learned a hell of a lot of things from looking at the types of men women date, the types of guys that seem popular in general and not just with girls, psychology about how people percieve others and how we place values on certain things, etc.

Like Drab said, if you want to learn about psychology, social conditioning, body language and other stuff then read it seperately along with looking at the real world and your own experiences.

I have discovered LOTS of things that although many people know, nobody told me and they were very important things. Along with lots of things people are oblivious to but do subconsciously and later deny. Most of the stuff I discovered are pretty bad things and I would be better off not knowing, but I prefer that to being fooled by gurus.
MM

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quote]Trust me, it has nothing to do with looks. Regarding physical appearance, all women care about is that a man is well groomed.

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ORIGINAL: JohnKerr2

White men date attractive women moreso than non-white men.

Really?

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ORIGINAL: Mook
Well I think it's all bollocks

What's wrong with just going up to people, acting naturally and if you get blown out tough luck. I can't think of anything more tragic than bringing a lass home and her finding my copy of 'How to pick up a girl in 60 seconds'

I'd feel a fraud using something in a book to make a woman want me, it's not really you doing it if it doesn't come naturally

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White men date attractive women moreso than non-white men.

Really?

Of my 188 friends on facebook, of which 70 % are white and 30 % are non-white, 60 % of the white guys were in a relationship and only 10 % of the non-white guys were in a relationship. From my life experience and from others, white men are heavily preferred by white women and also preferred by a significant % of non-white women. We know no foreign guys dating 'attractive women' and that's quite a big number. By contrast, we have white friends shorter than us and worse looking than us who are not single and haven't been for ages.

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Well I think it's all bollocks

What's wrong with just going up to people, acting naturally and if you get blown out tough luck. I can't think of anything more tragic than bringing a lass home and her finding my copy of 'How to pick up a girl in 60 seconds'

I'd feel a fraud using something in a book to make a woman want me, it's not really you doing it if it doesn't come naturally

post of the week there i think

To anyone who wants to know how to pick up girls, think outside of the box, get some lady friends and ask them what they notice/like/find attractive etc, id rather hear it first hand then second hand from some guy looking to sell a book

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ORIGINAL: Mad Manic

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ORIGINAL: JohnKerr2

White men date attractive women moreso than non-white men.

Really?

Of my 188 friends on facebook, of which 70 % are white and 30 % are non-white, 60 % of the white guys were in a relationship and only 10 % of the non-white guys were in a relationship. From my life experience and from others, white men are heavily preferred by white women and also preferred by a significant % of non-white women. We know no foreign guys dating 'attractive women' and that's quite a big number. By contrast, we have white friends shorter than us and worse looking than us who are not single and haven't been for ages.

Racial hierachy is real; Whites are at the top and thus white women rarely date 'down'. By contrast, foreign women regularly date white men especially in mixed environments where they meet white men. Chinese women do this regularly in central London from what I observe everyday. Unlike white women who encounter foreign men, like in my sample.

Sub-conscious (and also conscious in many cases) prejudices and stereotyping stemming from the media is also real. There are plenty of negative connotations associated with minorities and not so many for whites since we are living in a white dominant country. Check out Tyra banks undercover racism investigations on youtube. People are asked to identify out of 6-7 candidates which faces the worst prejudices in the US. People explained how the media, society etc. influences them to associate very bad things with a given look or skin colour and it is instantaneous.

In a sample of 100 white women from my university, 96 were dating white men. In a sample of 100 white men, 60% were in a relationship. In a sample of 100 indian/pakistani men, 12% were in a relationship. My university is less than half white btw which renders the 95/100 stat very intriguing.

Then of course there are life experiences on top ... like lying about my ethnicity and seeing how it affects people's reactions towards me, men and women. I'm half iranian half italian, the italian is viewed in a higher regard than the iranian part. Sad, but true.

Of course this is just the ethnicity part ... then there is height, social status, personality etc.

From what I know and have studied; height, ethnicity and class seem to be most important. People tend to date within their ethnicity and class unless it's a case where a woman dates 'up' according to a percieved racial hierachy. Taller men do much better with women, this is obviously the common one known. Classism exists, at my university middle class men seem to do better with the ladies as well.

These are just my views though, I try to be as rational and fair as possible without causing offense. The world is not a fair one and I wasn't prepared for it. I've learnt what it means to be an ethnic minority from a working class background having gone to a top university in a wealthy area with a more middle class population. Heightism, racism and classism are prominant things. Social groups here are based on race, there are white, chinese, black and indian groups and very little mixing. It is a very diverse university in terms of ethnicities but it is also segregated.

Sorry for the rant but as a minority you can appreciate how these things interest me. As I said I try to be fair and have as little bias as possible. Most of this 'racism' stems from brainwashing and social conditioning rather than malice and whatnot.

MM

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ORIGINAL: Mook
Well I think it's all bollocks

What's wrong with just going up to people, acting naturally and if you get blown out tough luck. I can't think of anything more tragic than bringing a lass home and her finding my copy of 'How to pick up a girl in 60 seconds'

I'd feel a fraud using something in a book to make a woman want me, it's not really you doing it if it doesn't come naturally

post of the week there i think

To anyone who wants to know how to pick up girls, think outside of the box, get some lady friends and ask them what they notice/like/find attractive etc, id rather hear it first hand then second hand from some guy looking to sell a book