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RE: David Deangelo, how to attract the opposite sex and... - May 12 2008 11:10:14
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Self confidence develops naturally and very quickly when you realise that you can actually hold down a conversation, you ARE worth talking to and people have a good time when they are around you. After the first night of approaching I felt amazing. You are on such a high during the evening after you have interacted with a few women, whether or not they go well.
I've recommended products on a previous page.
I minimise nervousness by being with friends who are out for exactly the same reason as me and who are there to help and support me with this. Also by having a solid game plan and "knowing" that you're the man obviously helps.
Obviously it's "all about confidence", but where do you get that confidence from if you are unconfident in the first place? How do you just "be confident"? You become confident by having a game plan before you go in, which helps with feelings of nervousness or feelings that you may run out of things to say. It also develops when you realise that you CAN actually do this, people DO find you attractive and you ARE fun to be around.
BWT the nervousness is referred to as "Approach Anxiety" and there is an evolutionary explanation for it.
Also, most women share cetain characteristics. IE they are all attracted to certain things. If you had ever studied psychology, you would know that men are evolutionarily designed to be attracted to a woman who LOOKS like she will be a fertile mate. IE she has an hourglass figure, large breasts, childbearing hips etc. We also find features like large eyes and a small nose attractive. However, women are designed to be attracted to a man with status, a man who will protect her and her children, provide for her. Looks mean very little to a woman. As long as you're not deformed you do not have to be classically attractive to attract even the most gorgeous woman. Just make sure your hair is cut and styled, your eyebrows are tweezed if necessary, your beard is managed or you are clean shaven, you wear nice clothes, look healthy etc. Trust me, it is predominantly about what you say and how you act. On a previous page I uploaded an episode of Keys to the VIP in which Cajun (who looks like a scruff) attracts some absolutely beautiful women. This was purely down to his attitude and what he said. Watch the episode!
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Looks are NOT hugely significant!! What are you basing this on? How many women have you practised this material on?
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It's not a big prank. Some are purely money makers, but the products I have recommended are GOLD! Torrrentz (deliberate sp) ensure that you don't get ripped off. I think you should try it out before coming to an uninformed conclusion. You sound just like the people who don't 'get' bodybuilding.
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Maybe being tall gives you a slight advantage, but a) being tall will not get you laid and b) being tall is by no means a deal breaker.
Already explained myself. Keep finding uninformed flaws and criticise it to death, but I have actually been studying and applying these principles for a while and I KNOW it works!
Then again, I think that the idea that you need to be in a calorie surplus, weight train and rest to build muscle is utter b0llocks! I have never attempted it, but I think some people naturally have muscle and some don't. You can't change that! It's just a big moneymaking scam to sell protein powder!
*The above is your logic applied to bodybuilding.
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RE: David Deangelo, how to attract the opposite sex and... - May 12 2008 11:11:02
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Well I think it's all bollocks
What's wrong with just going up to people, acting naturally and if you get blown out tough luck. I can't think of anything more tragic than bringing a lass home and her finding my copy of 'How to pick up a girl in 60 seconds'
I'd feel a fraud using something in a book to make a woman want me, it's not really you doing it if it doesn't come naturally
post of the week there i think 
To anyone who wants to know how to pick up girls, think outside of the box, get some lady friends and ask them what they notice/like/find attractive etc, id rather hear it first hand then second hand from some guy looking to sell a book
out of interest, what was there reply to this question?
i imagine that if i asked my female friends my response would be:
funny, good looking, 'nice', in good shape, well respected.' then again i couod be well off the mark
Yes, and chicks are well known for saying exactly and clearly what they really want 
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RE: David Deangelo, how to attract the opposite sex and... - May 12 2008 11:12:41
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lol very true wheels.
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RE: David Deangelo, how to attract the opposite sex and... - May 12 2008 11:38:07
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At the end of the day, anything to give ugly blokes a fighting chance
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RE: David Deangelo, how to attract the opposite sex and... - May 12 2008 11:47:27
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At the end of the day, anything to give ugly blokes a fighting chance
HOW DARE YOU!!!
That's ugly and inept, thank you.
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RE: David Deangelo, how to attract the opposite sex and... - May 12 2008 12:04:35
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The information is very insightful in my opinion, and none of it is rocket science, it is merely an amalgamation of a number of good observations from evolution, psychology etc, so there is nothing contraversial about the content at all. I've covered it all it in its original forms at some time or another throughout my psychology degree, and actually came across the pua stuff when researching the area of 'consumer entrapment' and the psychological techniques of salespeople, which pua largely draws upon.
However, what really irks me about all of this 'pua' stuff is the cult mentality, and the cult lingo such as 'escalate', 'f-close' etc. What I also notice is that if I ever see a post from anyone on a forum touting 'pua' like in this thread, then they come across with this 'I've found the holy grail, you could too' mentality. Kind of reminds me of things I've read by people touting things such as scientology and also, from a case study I once looked at about a group of people who believed that the world was going to end but because they prayed enough, a flying saucer was going to come and rescue them.....
Like I say, the content and techniques of 'pua' is fine in my view, very logical well thought out and very deductive. However, the cult aspect is the part I don't like at all, and I don't see the appeal to someone to go from a shy person who can't get a woman to a generic clone of a cookie-cutter personality (which is essentially what is being done when subscribing to this cult mentality outlined above). There is something very ironic and fake about that. By all means use the techniques and take them on board, but there is no need imo to subscribe to the whole mentality imo.
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RE: David Deangelo, how to attract the opposite sex and... - May 12 2008 13:28:07
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Glassy-eyed evangelism is always creepy.
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RE: David Deangelo, how to attract the opposite sex and... - May 12 2008 14:54:48
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if all you want is to get laid then come down to southend seafront on a saturday night, go in the pubs clubs etc and just randomly ask girls if they are up for it.
you wont find gf material but you will go home with a girl.
as for all these techniques, they do work, but not ALL the time, the key is in approaching many different women. It goes along the lines of my law of averages theory... ask enough girls for thier number/sex/a drink etc and eventually one(or more) will say yes.
Almost all these books and guides etc tell you approach approach approach. There is no big secret, its about being friendly and approaching people.
All these courses help build confidence, so thats not a bad thing, and this confidence can be used in all manner of situations such as talking to random people (not just girls) approaching clients etc.
I do find the actual methods involved in picking up the girls quite interesting though. but then im interested in psychology anyway.
the girl im currently seeing said that even though she finds me sexually attractive she was initially attracted to my intelligence and knowledge of certain subjects. and with her it all started with me helping to explain what was wrong with the engine in her car.
I think that most girls welcome a compliment or being talked to as long as you dont come across as just 'wanting a shag'.
As for the racial theories, i dont believe it at all. One of my best friends is from ghana and meets seriously attractive 'african queens' as he calls them, my friend from turkey is a hairy fella with a nose the size of concorde and reminds me of count from sessame street yet hes always pulling stunning women. basing 'facts' on one university with 200 people on an internet site is just plain daft. im in a relationship yet my status is single on facebook. putting all my personal detaiuls on a website is of no interest to me, i use it to contact some old school friends and to play the racing game from time to time. if you had done a study of 5000 people from different parts of the country and other countries as well and the data was the same then maybe you would have something to backup your theory.
as said earlier, what one person percieves to be attractive isnt the same as another person.
if your not attracted to black/asian etc people and your friend is, then he could argue that his foreign gf is better looking than your white gf... because he thinks she is...
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RE: David Deangelo, how to attract the opposite sex and... - May 12 2008 15:20:49
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It's just a numbers game at the end of the day.......
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RE: David Deangelo, how to attract the opposite sex and... - May 12 2008 15:45:41
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sorry but thats a load of bollox.
the only thing i agree with is the height thing, women do comment to me that my height is an attraction.
all the race stuff you wrote is a joke though. seems you're looking for excuses as to why you cant find a woman.
Why would height be a factor but ethnicity not be a factor? Do you know any women dating foreign men currently? It's all well saying it's a 'joke' but I'm the one who researched it and I'm the one who is a minority, so how could you possibly know either way? If you know some attractive women dating foreign men then yes that would be evidence for you to suggest ethnicity isn't a factor. Otherwise you are making a claim out of nowhere. I could easily say your claim of height being attractive is a joke, couldn't I?
If black women, for example, openly admit that they prefer black men, then why would all of my post be rendered useless in the UK amongst a predominantly white population? Because white women are not as racist as black women? Heh.
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RE: David Deangelo, how to attract the opposite sex and... - May 12 2008 15:50:58
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how have you researched it? you looked at 188 mates on facebook and at one university.
thats not research.
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RE: David Deangelo, how to attract the opposite sex and... - May 12 2008 15:51:38
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You're asking us to accept your sociometric theory on the basis of trends observed from your Facebook friends?
Statistically you haven't the figures to make any sort of valid conclusions and even if you did, you'd be confusing correlation with causality. And, we might ask, are your Facebook friends at all representative of the British or world population?
For starters the fact that an individual may be in a relationship is not actually a terribly effective measure of attractiveness. Sure, they've managed to attract one person; but consider our lothario-about-town who fancies himself as uber-attractive, sleeps with a load of women, yet remains single.
So, you know no 'foreign guys' dating 'attractive women.' By foreign, do you mean non-white? And who's to say your definition or yardstick of 'attractive' is the same as everyone else's anyway?
I think your synopsis of ethnicity in the dating game is very 1950s.
Of course it's a very small, not-so-perfect sample and there are obvious flaws with it, I haven't tried to claim that it was a perfect sample. It was just simply evidence to back up my points. I also spoke about other types of evidence like personal experiences, friends of friends and comparing our white friends with non-white friends.
By foreign I mean not white, not as in migrated recently or anything. I don't have a definition of attractive, it's open to my interpretation, but since those guys in the sample were nearly all single anyway then yes they weren't dating attractive women ... or any women.
My synopsis was just a very brief one with flaws but I find the statistics very intriguing. And I'm sure if my friends were single but ONS kings I would know about it ...
As I said height, ethnicity, class, looks, charm etc. are all factors, I just expanded on one because you questioned it. Just my opinions thats all I don't want flaming (not that you did).
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RE: David Deangelo, how to attract the opposite sex and... - May 12 2008 15:53:50
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how have you researched it? you looked at 188 mates on facebook and at one university.
thats not research.
Yes it's still research, just small samples so I could see if there were any trends and there were. I haven't claimed it was official or perfect it was just for my own interests' sake. What are your views then, do they differ?
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RE: David Deangelo, how to attract the opposite sex and... - May 12 2008 16:09:01
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no its not research, youve looked at 188 people, looked at what you consider to be attractive or not women at uni, then 'assumed'
that is not research.
yes my views differ.
Im white and i in no way believe that there is a hierachy in attractivness.
I believe that in general white people are more attracted to whites, blacks to blacks, asian to asian etc, but when it comes to mixing races i dont believe that whites are at the top at all.
as i said earlier, i have a black mate that mainly goes for black women, i have a black mate that mainly goes for white women.
Me personally i find white women with dark hair more attractive espcially when they have a slight oriental look about them, and also the spanish look, but thats just me.
if i was in a room with 1 person from each race and every single one was good looking i would be more attracted to the girl that i could have a laugh with and who shared some of my interests, i wouldnt be drawn to the white girl because she was white.
As said earlier as well, just because someones status on facebook is single doesnt mean they are less attractive than your friend that is in a relationship.
Its just the same as a man that sleeps with 100 women doesnt make him more attractive than the man thats only slept with 5 women.
those 5 women could have been models and the 100 could have been ugly women, or just totally loose women up for fun.
The only time i could possible see a conection with a background and attractivness is by media stereotypes... for example you say your italian, well stereotype says italian stallion, dark haired, handsome etc... media sterotype says the iranian is a thief or 'one of those muslim nutters'
next time you go out say your spanish and see if that has any bearing on wether you pull or not... i doubt it will.
but thats all going by a stereotype or countries, not of the colour of your skin.
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RE: David Deangelo, how to attract the opposite sex and... - May 12 2008 16:14:09
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Of course it's a very small, not-so-perfect sample and there are obvious flaws with it, I haven't tried to claim that it was a perfect sample. It was just simply evidence to back up my points. I also spoke about other types of evidence like personal experiences, friends of friends and comparing our white friends with non-white friends.
By foreign I mean not white, not as in migrated recently or anything. I don't have a definition of attractive, it's open to my interpretation, but since those guys in the sample were nearly all single anyway then yes they weren't dating attractive women ... or any women.
My synopsis was just a very brief one with flaws but I find the statistics very intriguing. And I'm sure if my friends were single but ONS kings I would know about it ...
As I said height, ethnicity, class, looks, charm etc. are all factors, I just expanded on one because you questioned it. Just my opinions thats all I don't want flaming (not that you did).
I'm glad you realise that my post wasn't a flame, but if you're interested in social science you do need to start with an awareness of statistical sampling and observation study design. When you've got so many confounding factors and such a small sample your impressions can be easily skewed.
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RE: David Deangelo, how to attract the opposite sex and... - May 12 2008 16:35:09
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I'm glad you realise that my post wasn't a flame, but if you're interested in social science you do need to start with an awareness of statistical sampling and observation study design. When you've got so many confounding factors and such a small sample your impressions can be easily skewed.
LOL - well said
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RE: David Deangelo, how to attract the opposite sex and... - May 12 2008 17:02:13
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Well I think it's all bollocks
What's wrong with just going up to people, acting naturally and if you get blown out tough luck. I can't think of anything more tragic than bringing a lass home and her finding my copy of 'How to pick up a girl in 60 seconds'
I'd feel a fraud using something in a book to make a woman want me, it's not really you doing it if it doesn't come naturally
post of the week there i think
To anyone who wants to know how to pick up girls, think outside of the box, get some lady friends and ask them what they notice/like/find attractive etc, id rather hear it first hand then second hand from some guy looking to sell a book
Cheers, just ask Yiddo... I'm not exactly blessed in the looks department but manage to get with attractive lasses without much of what I would call effort
I've also had my fair share of unblessed women too though
Its true, the kids an ugly ginger b@stard, but he gets some decent looking birds (he has even been lucky enough to get one of my cast offs and shes not bad at all  ). Although to be fair I have seen him with a couple of..erm..not so good looking ones They all count tho! lol
I'm much the same, I have a head the size of a pumpkin and am no Brad Pitt, but I get lots of attractive girls just through having good crack/banter whatever you call it, and being confident in myself. Maybe I should write these bloody books haha
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RE: David Deangelo, how to attract the opposite sex and... - May 12 2008 17:41:10
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I'm surprised at how seriously this seems to be taken, I feel as if I've just read a thread on how to succeed in the stock market 
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I don't see the appeal to someone to go from a shy person who can't get a woman to a generic clone of a cookie-cutter personality (which is essentially what is being done when subscribing to this cult mentality outlined above). There is something very ironic and fake about that. how long do you have to keep the game up for, what happens if she see's the 'real' you?
or is this just meant for those boys that my 18 y/o daughter tells me about who are all 'players'
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RE: David Deangelo, how to attract the opposite sex and... - May 12 2008 17:46:14
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I'm surprised at how seriously this seems to be taken, I feel as if I've just read a thread on how to succeed in the stock market
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I don't see the appeal to someone to go from a shy person who can't get a woman to a generic clone of a cookie-cutter personality (which is essentially what is being done when subscribing to this cult mentality outlined above). There is something very ironic and fake about that. how long do you have to keep the game up for, what happens if she see's the 'real' you?
or is this just meant for those boys that my 18 y/o daughter tells me about who are all 'players'
Medusa, your daughter needs to learn that she is no more than a one-dimensional trophy - a shallow automaton of a being, programmed to respond only to specially encrypted code-words delivered in a cloud of David Beckham's 'Intense Instinct'. She is powerless to resist.
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