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RE: David Deangelo, how to attract the opposite sex and... - May 12 2008 17:49:04
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gwilym
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how long do you have to keep the game up for, what happens if she see's the 'real' you?
or is this just meant for those boys that my 18 y/o daughter tells me about who are all 'players'
From what i've read here i think you are misunderstanding this.
These people aren't "acting". They use it to help approach and get into conversations with women, therefore getting the chance for these women to see "the real them" rather than getting blown out immediately. Is this right?
Correct me if im wrong please.
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RE: David Deangelo, how to attract the opposite sex and... - May 12 2008 17:49:53
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Medusa, your daughter needs to learn that she is no more than a one-dimensional trophy - a shallow automaton of a being, programmed to respond only to specially encrypted code-words delivered in a cloud of David Beckham's 'Intense Instinct'. She is powerless to resist.
dont worry, she'll be a hard faced b1tch clone of her mother 
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RE: David Deangelo, how to attract the opposite sex and... - May 12 2008 17:50:31
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how long do you have to keep the game up for, what happens if she see's the 'real' you?
or is this just meant for those boys that my 18 y/o daughter tells me about who are all 'players'
From what i've read here i think you are misunderstanding this.
These people aren't "acting". They use it to help approach and get into conversations with women, therefore getting the chance for these women to see "the real them" rather than getting blown out immediately. Is this right?
Correct me if im wrong please.
It's being sold more as, "how to get to meet women, talk with them for a little bit, knock your beans up them, then move on to the next one".
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RE: David Deangelo, how to attract the opposite sex and... - May 12 2008 17:53:42
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no its not research, youve looked at 188 people, looked at what you consider to be attractive or not women at uni, then 'assumed'
that is not research.
It is still research, it may be sub-optimal in your (and my) opinion but it's still a form of research. And to be fair most men don't really deviate in their opinions of an attractive woman, most men tend to have a similar opinion on whether a woman is attractive or not. But minor details aside I did say the vast majority of my non-white mates were single, so there was no woman never mind her 'rating'.
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yes my views differ.
Im white and i in no way believe that there is a hierachy in attractivness.
I believe that in general white people are more attracted to whites, blacks to blacks, asian to asian etc, but when it comes to mixing races i dont believe that whites are at the top at all.
I didn't say there was a hierachy in attractiveness, not whatsoever. I just said that since my time in Central London I've found that despite my uni being under 1/2 white, far more white men proportionately are dating. You have just said that women of a given race have a preference for their own race ... well that would back up my claims that white women rarely date foreign men. But with the interracial dating, which is not so prevelant anyway, there is racial hierachy IMO since from my and others experiences it's far more common to see a white man dating a foreign women, even in our ethnically mixed environment.
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as i said earlier, i have a black mate that mainly goes for black women, i have a black mate that mainly goes for white women.
Me personally i find white women with dark hair more attractive espcially when they have a slight oriental look about them, and also the spanish look, but thats just me.
if i was in a room with 1 person from each race and every single one was good looking i would be more attracted to the girl that i could have a laugh with and who shared some of my interests, i wouldnt be drawn to the white girl because she was white.
Yes that makes sense and I am sure you are being honest, but I was talking about women not men. It is well known that women are more picky in choosing partners etc. and it is up to the man to seduce the women in most cases ...
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As said earlier as well, just because someones status on facebook is single doesnt mean they are less attractive than your friend that is in a relationship.
Its just the same as a man that sleeps with 100 women doesnt make him more attractive than the man thats only slept with 5 women.
those 5 women could have been models and the 100 could have been ugly women, or just totally loose women up for fun.
Of course it wasn't about attractiveness. But you saying that adds more weight to my claims ... if my foreign friends are not less attractive then why are our perceptions and the data we collected so skewed in favour of whites.
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The only time i could possible see a conection with a background and attractivness is by media stereotypes... for example you say your italian, well stereotype says italian stallion, dark haired, handsome etc... media sterotype says the iranian is a thief or 'one of those muslim nutters'
next time you go out say your spanish and see if that has any bearing on wether you pull or not... i doubt it will.
but thats all going by a stereotype or countries, not of the colour of your skin.
Well there you go, I think that's all that needs to be said. You have admitted that 'Iranian' has negative connotations in your mind, you have already associated that with thief/nutters ... both are which untrue by a long way. So it would be no surprise then that racial hierachy exists and that prejudices exist like you stated. And yes my ethnicity does have a bearing on my success ... if you think negatively of the iranian part and yet you are a rational, educated, decent person it seems and into a healthy lifestyle, then why would a woman not be prejudiced for instance? It is far worse for say my indian friends who have darker skin, more foreign features and even more prejudices faced against them.
Thanks anyway, you made some great points.
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RE: David Deangelo, how to attract the opposite sex and... - May 12 2008 17:56:28
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From what i've read here i think you are misunderstanding this.
These people aren't "acting". They use it to help approach and get into conversations with women, therefore getting the chance for these women to see "the real them" rather than getting blown out immediately. Is this right?
Correct me if im wrong please.
I am cynical, the fact of needing a game plan suggests to me to desire to profit at anothers expense?
or is it cruel of me to be derisive?
seems to me that women and men equally struggle with relationships, yet men seem more inclined to need a game plan, why would that be?
despite appearances to the contrary I'm in favour of harmony between the sexes, what should women do to make it all more comfortable.
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RE: David Deangelo, how to attract the opposite sex and... - May 12 2008 18:18:10
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sorry but thats a load of bollox.
the only thing i agree with is the height thing, women do comment to me that my height is an attraction.
all the race stuff you wrote is a joke though. seems you're looking for excuses as to why you cant find a woman.
Why would height be a factor but ethnicity not be a factor? Do you know any women dating foreign men currently? It's all well saying it's a 'joke' but I'm the one who researched it and I'm the one who is a minority, so how could you possibly know either way? If you know some attractive women dating foreign men then yes that would be evidence for you to suggest ethnicity isn't a factor. Otherwise you are making a claim out of nowhere. I could easily say your claim of height being attractive is a joke, couldn't I?
If black women, for example, openly admit that they prefer black men, then why would all of my post be rendered useless in the UK amongst a predominantly white population? Because white women are not as racist as black women? Heh.
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you tell me, you're the one that said height was a factor in the first place.
tbh i dont even feel the need to debate this with you, you're doing nothing but looking for excuses as to why you cant bag that gorgeous white woman, ah thats it, its because your not white, middle classed, tall etc what a load of bollox.
oh and yes, i have plenty of female friends dating foreign men. off the top of my head i can think of over 20 female friends dating foreign men, ranging from indian, pakistani, russian, canadian, chinese, malay and yes i know 2 girls (1 extremly attractive, she used to model) dating iranians.
seriosuly your 'research' if it can be called that is terrible. if you want to keep believing this then fair enough, it seems you're more interested in looking for subjects that follow your trend rather than looking at the bigger picture, you just want to prove your theory to be true.
when in fact its not. your opinions are extremly dated. its 2008 not 1948. 
edit: i'm currently dating a british born indian girl, who's sister is dating a japanese man. how's that sit in your theory?
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RE: David Deangelo, how to attract the opposite sex and... - May 12 2008 18:20:28
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I am cynical, the fact of needing a game plan suggests to me to desire to profit at anothers expense?
or is it cruel of me to be derisive?
seems to me that women and men equally struggle with relationships, yet men seem more inclined to need a game plan, why would that be?
despite appearances to the contrary I'm in favour of harmony between the sexes, what should women do to make it all more comfortable.
Women are pickier than men, if men had their way they would just sleep with every attractive women that they see. Whereas women tend to choose the 'best' man that they find whatever their criteria for that may be. Women are typically the ones that are 'hunted' by men, it is up to the man to seduce the woman in most cases. This is just the nature of the dynamic between men and women.
Bottom line is that there is a finite number of women deemed attractive/fertile by men and there is competition. 'Game' as they call it is basically methods of improving one's value/quality to the opposite sex so they can compete/defeat the competition. It is always about demand/supply and competition at the end of the day.
Men and women may equally struggle with relationships but there are many men who never manage to get into a relationship with a woman.
MM
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RE: David Deangelo, how to attract the opposite sex and... - May 12 2008 18:27:40
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you tell me, you're the one that said height was a factor in the first place.
tbh i dont even feel the need to debate this with you, you're doing nothing but looking for excuses as to why you cant bag that gorgeous white woman, ah thats it, its because your not white, middle classed, tall etc what a load of bollox.
oh and yes, i have plenty of female friends dating foreign men. off the top of my head i can think of over 20 female friends dating foreign men, ranging from indian, pakistani, russian, canadian, chinese, malay and yes i know 2 girls (1 extremly attractive, she used to model) dating iranians.
seriosuly your 'research' if it can be called that is terrible. if you want to keep believing this then fair enough, it seems you're more interested in looking for subjects that follow your trend rather than looking at the bigger picture, you just want to prove your theory to be true.
when in fact its not. your opinions are extremly dated. its 2008 not 1948.
edit: i'm currently dating a british born indian girl, who's sister is dating a japanese man. how's that sit in your theory?
So it's interesting that I say in my experiences and with the people I know in Central London that it's definitely a factor yet in your experiences you say it isn't a factor. May I ask what age range these women are in? I have never claimed that what I said is a universal thing, likewise I could just claim that your experiences are localised to where you are. It may just be down to region and the fact that I'm at a middle class populated university, whereas you might be in the 'real world' as I call it and people are more open minded and mature. Bottom line, there are differences between groups of people. I do not know japanese, chinese, indian, pakistani men etc. dating white women or women in general tbh, very few infact seem to be dating. But do not be fooled into thinking your experiences are worth more than mine and thus overide what I said, that would be delusional ...
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RE: David Deangelo, how to attract the opposite sex and... - May 12 2008 18:32:23
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mad manic where in london are you?
If for example you were in walthamstow then yes, you would see more white men with foreign women simply because there are more foreign people living there.
Just the same as if you were at turnpike lane your more likely to see people dating turks and greeks, or a stratford black or east european.
because there are a lot of white men dating foreign women in your part of london doesnt mean that the women find thier own race less attractive, or less appealing etc.
you could then argue that white men dont like white women, based on your 'research'
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RE: David Deangelo, how to attract the opposite sex and... - May 12 2008 18:35:00
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oh and to add, it is not my view that iranians are thieves etc... im talking about steretypes... irish are stupid, east europeans are thieves, essex women are dumb etc etc.
if you didnt tell a woman where you came from, and she couldnt guess, then there would be no stereotype coming into this.
finding someone less attractive due to stereotype and due to colour of thier skin are 2 very different things.
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RE: David Deangelo, how to attract the opposite sex and... - May 12 2008 18:38:46
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there is a finite number of women deemed attractive/fertile by men and there is competition. 'Game' as they call it is basically methods of improving one's value/quality to the opposite sex so they can compete/defeat the competition. now it sounds as if it's about men competeing with each other for the 'trophy' of an attractive woman
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It is always about demand/supply and competition at the end of the day.
so women are like a comodity in a marketplace?
Ah, I get it, it's about increasing your status, attractive woman to go with the expensive car, or if you cant afford the car you can buy a new pair of t1ts for the attractive woman so that your mates can see that you are 'the man' 
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RE: David Deangelo, how to attract the opposite sex and... - May 12 2008 18:43:53
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you tell me, you're the one that said height was a factor in the first place.
tbh i dont even feel the need to debate this with you, you're doing nothing but looking for excuses as to why you cant bag that gorgeous white woman, ah thats it, its because your not white, middle classed, tall etc what a load of bollox.
oh and yes, i have plenty of female friends dating foreign men. off the top of my head i can think of over 20 female friends dating foreign men, ranging from indian, pakistani, russian, canadian, chinese, malay and yes i know 2 girls (1 extremly attractive, she used to model) dating iranians.
seriosuly your 'research' if it can be called that is terrible. if you want to keep believing this then fair enough, it seems you're more interested in looking for subjects that follow your trend rather than looking at the bigger picture, you just want to prove your theory to be true.
when in fact its not. your opinions are extremly dated. its 2008 not 1948.
edit: i'm currently dating a british born indian girl, who's sister is dating a japanese man. how's that sit in your theory?
So it's interesting that I say in my experiences and with the people I know in Central London that it's definitely a factor yet in your experiences you say it isn't a factor. May I ask what age range these women are in? I have never claimed that what I said is a universal thing, likewise I could just claim that your experiences are localised to where you are. It may just be down to region and the fact that I'm at a middle class populated university, whereas you might be in the 'real world' as I call it and people are more open minded and mature. Bottom line, there are differences between groups of people. I do not know japanese, chinese, indian, pakistani men etc. dating white women or women in general tbh, very few infact seem to be dating. But do not be fooled into thinking your experiences are worth more than mine and thus overide what I said, that would be delusional ...
MM
my experiences come from a massive range, people that live in different countries, people that live in london, people that live in scotland and everywhere inbetween. i am doing my MSc (not a middle class uni) so some people are from there, others from my undergraduate, one a business course the other a sports nutrition course (middle class uni). i have also been in 'the real world' as i have worked, all over the country while studying, age ranges of these women are from 18-50.
therefore i'd say my experiences if of more value than yours, which is blinkered and very limited to say the least.
maybe you should be looking a bit further afield for a partner rather than observing the women at your uni.
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RE: David Deangelo, how to attract the opposite sex and... - May 12 2008 19:05:07
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i read into this purely from an interest point of view
HOWEVER, IMO these techniques teach you how to PULL a specific type of woman- many men have to deviate from their natural characteristics to perform this routine- characteristics which many would consider v desirable in a relationship
if you change your personality to attract a certain type of woman
what happens if you fall in love with her? You revert back to your genuine personality- a personality that she does not recognise and may not find attractive and so she moves on.
Fine if you just want to sleep abotu (its not morally fine IMO, but thats a different argument)- but if your after a serious partner after this its benefits are less significant IMO
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RE: David Deangelo, how to attract the opposite sex and... - May 12 2008 19:21:17
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There are some very helpful google adds comming up in this thread...
BBWRomance & interacial dating lol
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RE: David Deangelo, how to attract the opposite sex and... - May 12 2008 21:46:38
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Self confidence develops naturally and very quickly when you realise that you can actually hold down a conversation, you ARE worth talking to and people have a good time when they are around you. After the first night of approaching I felt amazing. You are on such a high during the evening after you have interacted with a few women, whether or not they go well.
I've recommended products on a previous page.
I appreciate the response mate. I read a book sometime ago from the channel four programme, I forget the name. The books called 'The art of seduction' by Richard La Runia. I found it quite insightful but I'm in no way nieve about the work involved in making these changes and pushing comfort zones a little. I don't have people or mates around me that are particularly confident people, most are quite insecure.
Some of thing's are pretty obvious. Stuff about using emotive laungage and not being dismissive or passing judgement on the girls likes and dislikes ( the big ones). What interested me in particular was the anchoring he mentioned. It seemed to help him alot, you use anything like that yourself?
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RE: David Deangelo, how to attract the opposite sex and... - May 12 2008 23:54:02
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there is a finite number of women deemed attractive/fertile by men and there is competition. 'Game' as they call it is basically methods of improving one's value/quality to the opposite sex so they can compete/defeat the competition. now it sounds as if it's about men competeing with each other for the 'trophy' of an attractive womanquote:
ORIGINAL: Mad Manic
It is always about demand/supply and competition at the end of the day.
so women are like a comodity in a marketplace?
Ah, I get it, it's about increasing your status, attractive woman to go with the expensive car, or if you cant afford the car you can buy a new pair of t1ts for the attractive woman so that your mates can see that you are 'the man'
sounds awfully like the animal kingdom does it not?
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RE: David Deangelo, how to attract the opposite sex and... - May 13 2008 0:53:58
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Looks are NOT hugely significant!! What are you basing this on? How many women have you practised this material on?
Practised Deangelo's theories? None. I haven't even looked other than what yourself and JK have said about it.
Not saying it does or doesn't have any use, however it doesn't consider:
Causes
2 Similarity
2.1 Similarity in different aspects
2.2 Reasons of spouse similarity (Watson et al., 2004)
2.3 Effects of similarity on interpersonal attraction
3 Complementarity
3.1 Similarity or Complementarity?
4 Social Exchange Theory
5 Attraction = Friendship
6 Attraction = Romantic Relationship
7 Evolutionary theories
8 Breaking Up
9 See also
10 References
Causes
Many factors leading to interpersonal attraction have been studied. The most frequently studied are:
Physical attractiveness
Propinquity
Familiarity
Similarity
Complementarity
Reciprocal liking
Reinforcement
Spare me the flame for borrowing off wiki - I know not the most respected scientific source - just to introduce some major factors that you don't seem to be considering/incorporating when talking about attracting women.
I have my own decent examples - actually in the library studying for psycholgy exam in the morning 
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RE: David Deangelo, how to attract the opposite sex and... - May 13 2008 14:30:31
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i find it quite interesting that a subject such as attracting the opposite sex attracts so much attention and hit counts on a bodybuilding website.
some very good points raised by many
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