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RE: The Illuminati - May 12 2008 8:44:47
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Look at history the Banana republic,whats gone on in South America with the drug cartels,the situation in American society itself,look at rockerfella's linage ,black flag incidents,it goes on and on
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RE: The Illuminati - May 12 2008 9:11:32
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Sounds like Fat Pete knows a bit too much about it...*cough* higher echelons *cough* 
The only thing I will say is that many things are believed with very little substance. Some guy appears on the BBC and tells you this or that and everyone believes it on the strength of
1. why would he lie
2. It's the BBC, so it must be right.
The world is full of ruthless manipulative people who it suits for us to believe certain things. To what degree this happens I can't say, is it 90% of what we are told or 9% or 0.9% Who knows. But it does happen, of that I am certain
Wise words bro 
We know what we are told and its up to us to read between the lines.
The Iraq war is a prime example IMO.
Would the USA start (yet another) War to save people from a tyranical leader just to 'help out', despite the fact that this senario is being played out in other parts of the World and the USA dont give a fck.
Or to gain massive control and financial power (way beyong the cost of the weapons used) ?
Here's the thing... if you look up who's the president of the USA (and congress if it turns you on) .
Do you honestly feel that you make yourself look good by making such a childish comment to try and dismiss the views of others?
Interesting. Half an insult (childish indeed) and a double standard (I can dismiss your view but mine are childish). Nice.
If the ORIGINAL POINT of the first post was about some great secret organisation/s running the world then perhaps you missed it? The US of A is pretty much the answer to your point and hence no secret nor running things on the quiet.
That ANYONE can claim to be trying to make themselves look good, including myself by posting, by even half believing this load of old tripe about the Freemasons or any other secular group running the world... not that it actually matters and for you to then feel strongly enough that when I point out the blatantly obvious you call my reply childish is beyond words.
Even the 'wise words bro'?? Why is saying that some odd percentage of 'the people' might twist words to suit themselves wise?? It's no more wise than me saying some clouds look like cars... it might be 0.9&, 9% or 90%. Feel free to read between the lines. 
I respond to a post and then you quote It and your opening line is basically to discredit It by the use of sarcastic comments. Do you feel that telling someone to 'look up who the president is' is not a dig at thier intelligence??
Nope. And I've said why.
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RE: The Illuminati - May 12 2008 9:17:53
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You cant educate pork,but anyone with an ounce of sense would look into things and educate themselves on the topic then make an opinion,rather than just an assumption
Bush mention look into his family tree and the banking links,or his biz links with the Binladen's.
until youve had looked into the topic dont bother insulting me or yourself,with crap youve just pulled out of thin as an answer,if someone was to come on this board and spout about BB without any topic knowledge they would be fried,at least have the manners to read into a topic prior,this will get too political which aint on for the board rules.
We agree on this. Most of the posts 'proof' are based on assumptions, conjecture and worse. Pretty much all 'secret world order' are of the same order. We haven't yet had the links to 'the Jews' which usually gets bandied about at this time thus getting the double whammy of both religion and politics in one.
Bush's family tree is no secret, that family members might help each other (like most people) is hardly a secret and wasn't there a documentary by a certain fat Yank which mentioned links to Binladen? It's the connections which people put in place off their own back which then become the 'facts' and 'proof' others have mentioned.
Finally god forbid someone should actually DARE to think it's all a crock. Apparently MT rules have changed now - we can only agree with each other before posting. 
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RE: The Illuminati - May 12 2008 11:45:23
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i believe that there are groups that have their own agenda, and they do things which benifit their group.
But as for world wide control, i do not believe that it is possible at this time.
Maybe go back to the days of the british empire etc then yes, there were large controlling groups, but that has long been dispersed.
It is now smaller groups doing their own thing and manipulating the world.
Going back to iraq, that is one example of one group (america) trying to control and manipulate... However, the reults on iraq have had no bearing on the rest of the world such as china or russia, it is contained mainly within that area. Yes i know you could argue about the middle east, afghanistan etc, but that is them mearly trying to manipulate, it doesnt mean they will succeed.
There are always many reasons for wars and conflict and joe public will not read about the true reasons in the sun newspaper.
The vast majority of public read the papers and believe whats written... my family are a prime example. The sun, the news of the world, itn news, and readers digest form most of my families views on things, and it always shocks them when i show many different arguments against what they beieve to be true.
All of it is guess work. like science.
You gather the facts that you know about from all sides, then you try and make sense of it all and come to your own conclusion, which stays the same until more evidence is brought forward to change that opinion.
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RE: The Illuminati - May 12 2008 12:46:02
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Often questions themselves are asked in such a way as to only allow for one answer. That in itself shows manipulation by the one asking the question. It's a classic salesman trick and is well used by politicians. It is also used by those with agendas of their own even when talking of new world orders.
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RE: The Illuminati - May 12 2008 12:53:53
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When I applied to become a JP, I was asked if I was a member of the Masons, when I asked if it would help my application he replied it would not harm it.
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RE: The Illuminati - May 12 2008 15:03:27
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Nothing officially can but unofficially... Now a 'new world order' guy would say 'you'd have got the job' because in their minds thats the inference. I could argue that he is not allowed to say one way or the other that membership of any such group would harm it - hence his reply.
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RE: The Illuminati - May 12 2008 15:08:47
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The only thing I will say is that many things are believed with very little substance. Some guy appears on the BBC and tells you this or that and everyone believes it on the strength of
1. why would he lie
2. It's the BBC, so it must be right.
The world is full of ruthless manipulative people who it suits for us to believe certain things. To what degree this happens I can't say, is it 90% of what we are told or 9% or 0.9% Who knows. But it does happen, of that I am certain
I very much agree, good point and very well made. 
People often believe whatever they are told, especially if their 'patriotic' buttons are pushed. Something i believe certains countries often do.
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RE: The Illuminati - May 12 2008 15:19:22
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as mobster says, that doesnt mean he was saying it would help it.
we all know the masons are a group that have influence etc, there are masons in the police, the press, even london transport, but that doesnt mean they have a huge amount of power across the world.
One mason house wont tell another mason house what to do, they could only hope that the mason will help them in some way... masonry is a code of conduct more than a group of individuals planning to rule earth.
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When I applied to become a JP, I was asked if I was a member of the Masons, when I asked if it would help my application he replied it would not harm it.
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Often questions themselves are asked in such a way as to only allow for one answer. That in itself shows manipulation by the one asking the question. It's a classic salesman trick and is well used by politicians. It is also used by those with agendas of their own even when talking of new world orders.
Very true. Same as the whole thing of making someone believe your idea is their idea.
You also have pack mentality where people follow the crowd, 'burn the witch' being a prime example.
Complete acts of savegery supported by normal citizens.
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RE: The Illuminati - May 12 2008 15:28:39
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Lock your doors , there on the way , no escape
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RE: The Illuminati - May 12 2008 15:31:15
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They already are mate... check the fridge. 
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RE: The Illuminati - May 12 2008 16:09:31
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as mobster says, that doesnt mean he was saying it would help it.
we all know the masons are a group that have influence etc, there are masons in the police, the press, even london transport, but that doesnt mean they have a huge amount of power across the world.
One mason house wont tell another mason house what to do, they could only hope that the mason will help them in some way... masonry is a code of conduct more than a group of individuals planning to rule earth.
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When I applied to become a JP, I was asked if I was a member of the Masons, when I asked if it would help my application he replied it would not harm it.
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Often questions themselves are asked in such a way as to only allow for one answer. That in itself shows manipulation by the one asking the question. It's a classic salesman trick and is well used by politicians. It is also used by those with agendas of their own even when talking of new world orders.
Very true. Same as the whole thing of making someone believe your idea is their idea.
You also have pack mentality where people follow the crowd, 'burn the witch' being a prime example.
Complete acts of savegery supported by normal citizens.
How Derren Brown and NLP works.
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RE: The Illuminati - May 12 2008 17:27:11
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How Derren Brown and NLP works.
Someone told me today that Derren Brown is homosexual. For some reason I was really surprised by this.
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RE: The Illuminati - May 12 2008 17:51:57
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How Derren Brown and NLP works.
Someone told me today that Derren Brown is homosexual. For some reason I was really surprised by this.
Yes, he came out the other week and aplogised to his female fans
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RE: The Illuminati - May 12 2008 17:55:32
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When I applied to become a JP, I was asked if I was a member of the Masons, when I asked if it would help my application he replied it would not harm it.
If the person who does the selection is a Mason then he will judge a fellow Mason as being above a non-mason.
This is fact, ask any genuine Mason who is willing to be honest.
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RE: The Illuminati - May 12 2008 17:58:15
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Maybe he used his 'power' to make you think otherwise LOL
Quite possibly, as I have a finely honed 'Gaydar' and I can usually tell a homosexual from 50 feet away, but Derren Brown had me fooled.
I've got no problem with it mind, as long as he doesn't try to fondle me or anything like that.
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RE: The Illuminati - May 12 2008 18:02:47
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Quite possibly, as I have a finely honed 'Gaydar' and I can usually tell a homosexual from 50 feet away, but Derren Brown had me fooled.
You mean you can spot a flaming queen from 50 feet.
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RE: The Illuminati - May 12 2008 18:03:49
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Yet another promising thread on muscletalk turns into mindless banter
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RE: The Illuminati - May 12 2008 18:31:13
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In reality most 'Conspiracy nuts' simply want questions answered that are genuine and have some evidence to warrent an explenation. 9-11 was such a case. Many questions were answered with total nonsense that went against science and thus the conspiracy was born!
This is often the case.
This is why many families of those who died (RIP) In 9-11 demanded answers and a full investigation but were denied by Bush.
Most 'Conspiracy nut' Haters dont wish to ask questions or provide answers but simply say that its all rubbish and anyone who dare question the official storyline we are told is an idiot. In reality they have no more proof to offer to back thier point of view up then the 'Conspiracy nuts' have.
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