I have been using propadrol for about 13days now and still dont feel anything has improved and dont feel stronger at all.
this is meant to be a fast acting drug that works within the first few days of taking it.
Now just wondering What i should get next that people have an opinion on that does actully give me alot of strength and mass.

Thanks

loads of other meds mate, did a quick google of the med youre using, doesnt seem to have rave reviews

what kind of strength do you have right now for the big 3?

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not sure what you mean by the big 3.
i bench about 65kg lol and am looking to improve alot soon.
What would you reccomend.
was told propadrol was the best there is.

bench squat and deadlift are the big three

what are your stats fella? i think you could get better results by getting your diet and training checked out as those will give you strength gains, i currently bench 75kg for reps and deadlift 180kg for doubles and squat 140kg for a single im still going up and i aint taken anything yet to help me

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deadlift about 100kg and squat about 75kg
i am nerly 18 and will be going away with the lads in july and wanna get big for then.
my diet is good i just dont want to put any weight on as want to keep my midsection as it is lol.
any recomendations?

You aint gonna get big in 8 weeks mate

As for recommendations, i would see if you can cut till then as if youre cut you look bigger

Lets see your diet and your training plan

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mon-arms
tue-rest
wed-chest
thur-shoulders
fri-rest
sat-back
sun-rest

8am protein shake
11am tuna or chicken butty
1pm protein shake
4pm anything i get given by my mother
7pm fruit and chicken or tuna
10pm brown pasta with tuna

not great but i am looking to improve

i currently bench 75kg for reps and deadlift 180kg for doubles and squat 140kg

Hmm, bench seems a little low compared to the others

deadlift about 100kg and squat about 75kg
i am nerly 18 and will be going away with the lads in july and wanna get big for then

You're 17 years old and you're on a cycle of steroids?

Just eat big, train big and get decent sleep. Rome wasn't built in a day!

You'll see very little results in 8 weeks. Keep at it though and in a few years you'll be "big"

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wheres leg training?

diet needs work

any cardio?

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yer why not start somewhere.
i fit legs in every now and again and cardio normaly most days as i play football alot.
i dont want to eat big tho because i will go fat and i want to lose more body fat.

ORIGINAL: joerama

deadlift about 100kg and squat about 75kg
i am nerly 18 and will be going away with the lads in july and wanna get big for then.
my diet is good i just dont want to put any weight on as want to keep my midsection as it is lol.
any recomendations?

You want to get big but you dont want to add weight - pmsl make your mind up you cant gain muscle without gaining weight!!

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i dont want fat but i do want weight.
anyway that does not matter.
what would you recomend for strength gains?

i am nerly 18 and will be going away with the lads in july and wanna get big for then

Oh I can totally understand your reasoning

Anabolic steroids promote strength gain, muscle synthesis, and increased metabolic capacity. Their responsible, moderate use improves athletic performance, cosmetic appearance, and perceived social opportunity and self-esteem. However, anabolics achieve their effects by perturbing the human endocrine system, a complex feedback mechanism of glands and organs that are, in healthy and youthful persons, in an exquisite state of natural balance. Compounds like anabolic steroids that alter this balance are appropriate for use only by mature, well-trained athletes who understand these drugs, their risks and their benefits. Except in the case of prospective users of clear promise for national or international ranking in a sport, realistically hopeful for the kinds of benefits such ranking confers, the following should be characteristic of anyone, of any age, prior to the addition of anabolic steroids to a training regime:


1. PHYSICAL MATURITY. Anabolics can, through either direct or indirect effects, cause premature closure of the epiphyseal plates (growth plates) at the end of bone, an irreversible effect that may result in permanently shorter stature than the athlete would otherwise achieve. Therefore, the athlete should have reached full physical stature and maturity of the skeleton before contemplating anabolic use. In most cases, full stature is not reached until the very late teens and, in many cases, development of both long skeletal bones and joint assemblies (hips and shoulders) continues into the early 20's, development of the larynx (voice box) into the mid-20’s.


2. SIGNIFICANT MATURE MUSCULARITY. Anabolics have poor effect, or transitory effect, on athletes in mediocre condition; in addition, their tendency to boost muscle strength ahead of the strength of supporting tendons and ligaments can lead to debilitating injury in athletes without substantial prior training. Therefore, the athlete should have accumulated a significant amount of mature muscle mass and tendon strength through a dedicated program of resistance training prior to beginning anabolic use. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in training efficiency and effects, a minimum of 3 years, perhaps as many as 7, of dedicated weight training is required to achieve this necessary physical foundation, on which anabolics can be used safely and to best effect.


3. THOROUGH KNOWLEDGE. Anabolics are not a substitute for proper technique or applied knowledge of the basics of exercise physiology. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have a very thorough and detailed knowledge of lifting technique, dietary practice, recuperative processes, and hormonal and nonhormonal supplementation, and should if possible prepare for the use of anabolics under the guidance of a trusted mentor who has mastered these issues. In particular, the athlete should have an excellent understanding of the uses, effects, and risk profiles of anabolics, and should be thoroughly conversant with the kinds of ancillary agents that minimize side-effects and speed post-cycle recovery. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in the pace at which this knowledge is acquired, at least a year of arduous study and reading is necessary to understand anabolics and post-cycle recovery, and at least 4 years of practice is required to establish the requisite knowledge base of lifting technique, recuperation, and diet.


4. PSYCHOLOGICAL MATURITY. Anabolic steroids can have marked effect on mood and disposition, either during the cycle of active use, or its aftermath. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have the psychological health and maturity that will enable him or her to use anabolics with minimal social, psychological, and legal risk to both him/herself and his/her network of partners and collaborators. In addition, the athlete should be firm enough in purpose and balanced enough in approach to understand not only how and when to initiate use of anabolics, but how and when to curtail or abandon use safely should that need arise.


The use of anabolic steroids is unwise for persons who have not satisfied these prerequisites, though exceptions may be made in cases of very unusual athletic promise. While not a function of mere calendar age per se, it is unarguable that, on average, the likelihood that these conditions will have been met increases as the age of the prospective anabolic user increases.


For the reasons adduced above, the following statement of consensus opinion is made:

Allowing for substantial individual variability, and with the exception of cases of truly outstanding athletic promise, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should be socially and physically mature, psychologically healthy, and should have completed 4 to 7 years of dedicated, mentored training in strength/endurance athletics and study in lifting technique, dietary practices, recuperation skills and supplementation. In most cases, the athlete will have reached the age of 21 before these prerequisites are in place, recognizing that many athletes will not have achieved the necessary experience, physical maturity, and psychic balance until their mid-20's or even later.



There are many side effects, some of which are specific to teen users:

Acne
Possible increase in Male Pattern Baldness
Gynecomastia (bitch tits)
Stunted growth (premature closing of growth plates - not only affects height, but also other long bones such as collar bone)
Natural testosterone production supression (not ideal at such an important time for your endocrine system)
Risk of injury (anabolics normally provide an increase in strength. Muscles react more quickly than tendons. This can be an issue even for veteran lifters - potentially much more of a problem for novice trainers who's form is still likely to be poor)
Possible liver stress with alkylated steroids
Possible sexual dysfunction
Testicle shrinkage
Temporary infertility
Changes in blood lipids
Increases in blood pressure
Oedema

ORIGINAL: joerama
i dont want fat but i do want weight.
anyway that does not matter.
what would you recomend for strength gains?

weight lifting, good diet, plenty of rest and time mate

and train you bloody legs!!!

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legs do get trained but some weeks i forget.
big legs dont look good anyways

ORIGINAL: PartyBoy



Anabolic steroids promote strength gain, muscle synthesis, and increased metabolic capacity. Their responsible, moderate use improves athletic performance, cosmetic appearance, and perceived social opportunity and self-esteem. However, anabolics achieve their effects by perturbing the human endocrine system, a complex feedback mechanism of glands and organs that are, in healthy and youthful persons, in an exquisite state of natural balance. Compounds like anabolic steroids that alter this balance are appropriate for use only by mature, well-trained athletes who understand these drugs, their risks and their benefits. Except in the case of prospective users of clear promise for national or international ranking in a sport, realistically hopeful for the kinds of benefits such ranking confers, the following should be characteristic of anyone, of any age, prior to the addition of anabolic steroids to a training regime:


1. PHYSICAL MATURITY. Anabolics can, through either direct or indirect effects, cause premature closure of the epiphyseal plates (growth plates) at the end of bone, an irreversible effect that may result in permanently shorter stature than the athlete would otherwise achieve. Therefore, the athlete should have reached full physical stature and maturity of the skeleton before contemplating anabolic use. In most cases, full stature is not reached until the very late teens and, in many cases, development of both long skeletal bones and joint assemblies (hips and shoulders) continues into the early 20's, development of the larynx (voice box) into the mid-20’s.


2. SIGNIFICANT MATURE MUSCULARITY. Anabolics have poor effect, or transitory effect, on athletes in mediocre condition; in addition, their tendency to boost muscle strength ahead of the strength of supporting tendons and ligaments can lead to debilitating injury in athletes without substantial prior training. Therefore, the athlete should have accumulated a significant amount of mature muscle mass and tendon strength through a dedicated program of resistance training prior to beginning anabolic use. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in training efficiency and effects, a minimum of 3 years, perhaps as many as 7, of dedicated weight training is required to achieve this necessary physical foundation, on which anabolics can be used safely and to best effect.


3. THOROUGH KNOWLEDGE. Anabolics are not a substitute for proper technique or applied knowledge of the basics of exercise physiology. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have a very thorough and detailed knowledge of lifting technique, dietary practice, recuperative processes, and hormonal and nonhormonal supplementation, and should if possible prepare for the use of anabolics under the guidance of a trusted mentor who has mastered these issues. In particular, the athlete should have an excellent understanding of the uses, effects, and risk profiles of anabolics, and should be thoroughly conversant with the kinds of ancillary agents that minimize side-effects and speed post-cycle recovery. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in the pace at which this knowledge is acquired, at least a year of arduous study and reading is necessary to understand anabolics and post-cycle recovery, and at least 4 years of practice is required to establish the requisite knowledge base of lifting technique, recuperation, and diet.


4. PSYCHOLOGICAL MATURITY. Anabolic steroids can have marked effect on mood and disposition, either during the cycle of active use, or its aftermath. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have the psychological health and maturity that will enable him or her to use anabolics with minimal social, psychological, and legal risk to both him/herself and his/her network of partners and collaborators. In addition, the athlete should be firm enough in purpose and balanced enough in approach to understand not only how and when to initiate use of anabolics, but how and when to curtail or abandon use safely should that need arise.


The use of anabolic steroids is unwise for persons who have not satisfied these prerequisites, though exceptions may be made in cases of very unusual athletic promise. While not a function of mere calendar age per se, it is unarguable that, on average, the likelihood that these conditions will have been met increases as the age of the prospective anabolic user increases.


For the reasons adduced above, the following statement of consensus opinion is made:

Allowing for substantial individual variability, and with the exception of cases of truly outstanding athletic promise, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should be socially and physically mature, psychologically healthy, and should have completed 4 to 7 years of dedicated, mentored training in strength/endurance athletics and study in lifting technique, dietary practices, recuperation skills and supplementation. In most cases, the athlete will have reached the age of 21 before these prerequisites are in place, recognizing that many athletes will not have achieved the necessary experience, physical maturity, and psychic balance until their mid-20's or even later.



There are many side effects, some of which are specific to teen users:

Acne
Possible increase in Male Pattern Baldness
Gynecomastia (bitch tits)
Stunted growth (premature closing of growth plates - not only affects height, but also other long bones such as collar bone)
Natural testosterone production supression (not ideal at such an important time for your endocrine system)
Risk of injury (anabolics normally provide an increase in strength. Muscles react more quickly than tendons. This can be an issue even for veteran lifters - potentially much more of a problem for novice trainers who's form is still likely to be poor)
Possible liver stress with alkylated steroids
Possible sexual dysfunction
Testicle shrinkage
Temporary infertility
Changes in blood lipids
Increases in blood pressure
Oedema

Love it, the classsiccc PB post

Shut up and squat

UGM

ORIGINAL: joerama

legs do get trained but some weeks i forget.
big legs dont look good anyways

You are truly not ready for Steroids. Your training routine... ouch.

Eat Big, Sleep big and Lift big

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ORIGINAL: joerama

legs do get trained but some weeks i forget.
big legs dont look good anyways

Lol I beg to differ.
Nothing looks as soft as someone who is top heavy!

Personally I think you should reconsider your course

Unleash The Animal!!

aye, big legs dont look stupid and it takes a lot of great training on the legs to even get them to a reasonable size plus training the legs can make the upper body grow as much as training the upper body itself.

IMO you are not reasy for steroids or drugs of any kind. if you want to invest in something get some quality supplements and some sound advice from here and that will take you further than any drugs coupled with a good diet!