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RE: Tom ****ing Cruise - May 13 2008 14:12:00
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no, concentrate on the bigger wrongs first.
given everyone has limited resources, and there's an unlimited level of "wrong" in the world....you've got to budget - just like I only have 24hrs in a day, I have to cut and snip and prune what I want to do every day. If I tried to do everything, I'd fail. So...I pick the most important things, do those, and ignore the rest.
You're concentrating on minnows when there are whales in them waters.
You are trying and failing to obfuscate the fact that Tom Cruise is the most famous adherent and advocate for a sinister cult that broadcasts dangerous and reckless messages about mental health, operates unscrupulous commercial activities and hounds and harasses critics.
Um, I think the title is Marketing Manager 
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RE: Tom ****ing Cruise - May 13 2008 14:13:43
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You are trying and failing to obfuscate the fact that Tom Cruise is the most famous adherent and advocate for a sinister cult that broadcasts dangerous and reckless messages about mental health, operates unscrupulous commercial activities and hounds and harasses critics.
Um, I think the title is Marketing Manager
Or 'puppet'.
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RE: Does Tom cruise? - May 13 2008 14:35:32
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Someone mentioned his wife being one of the fittest women on the planet.
Yeah, the planet of one woman called Katie "Stepford Fembot" Holmes perhaps.
Perhaps he was on the selection board and interviewed her for the role lol
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RE: Tom ****ing Cruise - May 13 2008 14:41:33
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I think he's a role model because - despite a religious belief that's JUST as illogical as any other - he's gone from very little, to very much.
Would anyone really model there life on Tom Cruise? He's done well for himself, but I can't really see anything amazing that he has done that is worthy of becoming a role model.
He's an average actor with a good dentist, not much to learn from him is there?
As for the religon, L Ron won his bet didn't he lol
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Mate, how many millions of people are there trying to get to where he's got?
The chances of becoming as successful as him are minute. Millions of people every year strive to get their first acting gig, let alone become a movie star. Even after becoming a movie star....staying one is task in itself. What films has that guy who played Anakin in Star Wars been in recently? How about the guys in 300?
Tom Cruise has been one of the most successful movie stars of the past 20yrs - that's really, really hard, and really, really rare. Everyone underestimates celebrities, but if anyone honestly believes it's easy....they should go try and do it themselves. Loads of people every year try to become rich and famous, most fail.
In terms of amazing things he's done:
1) Become a successful actor - i.e. one that gets roles (probably 5% of working actors earn enough to live from their acting)
2) Become a movie star, from a working actor (probably 0.1% of working actors (i.e. those who support themselves from acting) ever become legitimate movie stars)
3) Stay a movie star for 20yrs
How many people can you name on 1 hand, that have done that?
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RE: Tom ****ing Cruise - May 13 2008 14:47:16
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no, concentrate on the bigger wrongs first.
given everyone has limited resources, and there's an unlimited level of "wrong" in the world....you've got to budget - just like I only have 24hrs in a day, I have to cut and snip and prune what I want to do every day. If I tried to do everything, I'd fail. So...I pick the most important things, do those, and ignore the rest.
You're concentrating on minnows when there are whales in them waters.
You are trying and failing to obfuscate the fact that Tom Cruise is the most famous adherent and advocate for a sinister cult that broadcasts dangerous and reckless messages about mental health, operates unscrupulous commercial activities and hounds and harasses critics.
Saying Physcology is useless....is far, far, far better....than saying:
- kill yourself and virgins will shag you
- don't wear condoms it's against God's wishes
- AIDs is Gods way of punishing homosexuals
And just about every other "mainstream" religious message that exists.
Even the Church of England preaches more dangerous messages than Scientology - messages like how the rule of law should be bent, to allow different "rules" to apply to one section of society than another, and that this is honestly how a secular society should work.
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RE: Tom ****ing Cruise - May 13 2008 14:56:23
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Saying Physcology is useless....is far, far, far better....than saying:
You mean psychiatry, don't you?
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- kill yourself and virgins will shag you
- don't wear condoms it's against God's wishes
- AIDs is Gods way of punishing homosexuals
Actually it's just as bad.
Telling people who suffer from mental illness that they're just weak and need to abandon their medications and 'pull themselves together' is, I'd say, nothing short of evil.
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Even the Church of England preaches more dangerous messages than Scientology - messages like how the rule of law should be bent, to allow different "rules" to apply to one section of society than another, and that this is honestly how a secular society should work.
Not sure specifically what you're going on about here.
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RE: Tom ****ing Cruise - May 13 2008 14:56:43
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This debate is the triumph of communism over common sense.
Huh?
What's communism got to do with it?
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RE: Tom ****ing Cruise - May 13 2008 15:06:48
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Its obvious some people are trying to get this thread locked.
Oh how i miss the days when politics / religion was taboo on these boards
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RE: Tom ****ing Cruise - May 13 2008 15:08:55
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Saying Physcology is useless....is far, far, far better....than saying:
- kill yourself and virgins will shag you
- don't wear condoms it's against God's wishes
- AIDs is Gods way of punishing homosexuals
And just about every other "mainstream" religious message that exists.
Even the Church of England preaches more dangerous messages than Scientology - messages like how the rule of law should be bent, to allow different "rules" to apply to one section of society than another, and that this is honestly how a secular society should work.
Better the devil you know. Society knows about these problems, and we are allowed to make our own decisions about them.The above problems you mentioned have a very minute minority of the religon believeing in them anyway. Im not a religous man myself, so to me, all of it is a bit silly. But Scientology is the biggest crock of **** i have ever seen. Never have i seen 'upper hierachy' members of a religon get so aggressive when they are not agreed with.
Dont get me wrong, every religon has its nutjob minority. Extremist muslims, catholics, protestants, jews. But it almost seems the norm with scientology. As usual, im with JohnKerr on this one, im thankful he can express his views more eloquently than myself. As im aware i often come across as aggressive, without meaning to.
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RE: Tom ****ing Cruise - May 13 2008 15:13:40
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I think he's a role model because - despite a religious belief that's JUST as illogical as any other - he's gone from very little, to very much.
Would anyone really model there life on Tom Cruise? He's done well for himself, but I can't really see anything amazing that he has done that is worthy of becoming a role model.
He's an average actor with a good dentist, not much to learn from him is there?
As for the religon, L Ron won his bet didn't he lol
Wheels
Mate, how many millions of people are there trying to get to where he's got?
The chances of becoming as successful as him are minute. Millions of people every year strive to get their first acting gig, let alone become a movie star. Even after becoming a movie star....staying one is task in itself. What films has that guy who played Anakin in Star Wars been in recently? How about the guys in 300?
Tom Cruise has been one of the most successful movie stars of the past 20yrs - that's really, really hard, and really, really rare. Everyone underestimates celebrities, but if anyone honestly believes it's easy....they should go try and do it themselves. Loads of people every year try to become rich and famous, most fail.
In terms of amazing things he's done:
1) Become a successful actor - i.e. one that gets roles (probably 5% of working actors earn enough to live from their acting)
2) Become a movie star, from a working actor (probably 0.1% of working actors (i.e. those who support themselves from acting) ever become legitimate movie stars)
3) Stay a movie star for 20yrs
How many people can you name on 1 hand, that have done that?
You make this too easy for me mate  There are hundreds of actors with tom's level of success, what is it that Tom Cruise has done that made him that success that those other actors have not donw? Don't give me that really really hard work rubbish, thousands work really really hard and get squat all for it.
You say he is a role model. The whole point of a role model is that they have something to teach you and make you better for it.
So, what is Tom's lesson of life for you? How is he any more that someone who won the lottery?
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RE: Tom ****ing Cruise - May 13 2008 15:22:21
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I think he's a role model because - despite a religious belief that's JUST as illogical as any other - he's gone from very little, to very much.
Would anyone really model there life on Tom Cruise? He's done well for himself, but I can't really see anything amazing that he has done that is worthy of becoming a role model.
He's an average actor with a good dentist, not much to learn from him is there?
As for the religon, L Ron won his bet didn't he lol
Wheels
Mate, how many millions of people are there trying to get to where he's got?
The chances of becoming as successful as him are minute. Millions of people every year strive to get their first acting gig, let alone become a movie star. Even after becoming a movie star....staying one is task in itself. What films has that guy who played Anakin in Star Wars been in recently? How about the guys in 300?
Tom Cruise has been one of the most successful movie stars of the past 20yrs - that's really, really hard, and really, really rare. Everyone underestimates celebrities, but if anyone honestly believes it's easy....they should go try and do it themselves. Loads of people every year try to become rich and famous, most fail.
In terms of amazing things he's done:
1) Become a successful actor - i.e. one that gets roles (probably 5% of working actors earn enough to live from their acting)
2) Become a movie star, from a working actor (probably 0.1% of working actors (i.e. those who support themselves from acting) ever become legitimate movie stars)
3) Stay a movie star for 20yrs
How many people can you name on 1 hand, that have done that?
You make this too easy for me mate There are hundreds of actors with tom's level of success, what is it that Tom Cruise has done that made him that success that those other actors have not donw? Don't give me that really really hard work rubbish, thousands work really really hard and get squat all for it.
You say he is a role model. The whole point of a role model is that they have something to teach you and make you better for it.
So, what is Tom's lesson of life for you? How is he any more that someone who won the lottery?
Hundreds?
Bollocks. He's one of the few mega-stars who's are valued so highly by film companies, that they'll pay him $20m+ per picture. There's a handful of them at best.
In terms of what he's done, there's more to hard work than hard work - loads of people work hard, you're right, but he has both worked hard, and smart. To say it's a lottery is...to be honest....one of those things that piss me off. People who say life's a lottery take away from the achievements of others - it's sad and unproductive.
The most important qualities he will have - probably - are not only an ability to work very hard, but an ability to do so for many years, make himself marketable, generate good relationships with casting directors, producers and othyer decision makers, and really get to understand the business of making movies.
Saying he's just lucky is...a bit disrespectful to anyone's achievements. Most movie stars have been working solidly with little reward for 10yrs before they hit big, and those that stay big are usually very, very clever at managing their career. It's not luck, they're just working hard, and doing a better job at it, than many others.
He's a life lesson because he set out to do something and did it - he didn't give up, he worked and achieved. Far more people should do that rather than say "life is just luck - if you're lucky you'll do well" and all that ****e. Our role models should be people who achieve hard things - becoming one of the 10 (tops) most famous people in the world, probably the highest earning actor of all time, and maintaining his movie star status for 20yrs....is a very hard thing to achieve.
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