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Epistane - May 13 2008 16:39:23
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Hi
Just wondering what your thoughts and opinons are of Epi.
Did you get any real noticable gains and do you have to run PCT afterwards?
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RE: Epistane - May 13 2008 16:40:42
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and do you have to run PCT afterwards?
yeah its a steroid and a new unproven one at that.
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RE: Epistane - May 13 2008 18:34:09
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Run a search for it mate, lots of real world user feedback.Rather than ^^^ 
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RE: Epistane - May 13 2008 18:41:08
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ORIGINAL: leanman
Run a search for it mate, lots of real world user feedback.Rather than ^^^
So epistane has a proven track record of long term safety then? its parent compound maybe but not epi or any other clones from what ive read, got any info you could share. Curious as to how you attempt to have a dig at me when i only answered what is common knowledge, its a steroid and as such requires pct.
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RE: Epistane - May 13 2008 20:47:50
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ORIGINAL: leanman
Run a search for it mate, lots of real world user feedback.Rather than ^^^
agree with this.
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RE: Epistane - May 13 2008 21:06:14
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have u used it iopener,have u used any steroids?
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RE: Epistane - May 13 2008 21:08:26
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ORIGINAL: meat 05
have u used it iopener,have u used any steroids?
no and no
how does that affect the question of whether it requires a PCT though?
i didnt give my opinion on gains or anything else on it, only answered part of the question which i believe there has been an article written on OTC gear that says it needs PCT as well, just relaying info thats all. nothing stopping anyone else advising on the other bits
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RE: Epistane - May 13 2008 21:16:07
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it doesnt,but u said only a month or so back pro steroids and prohormones are the same! u are commenting on here on what u have read not your own experiences,not having a dig at u but your comment on it being new and unproved seemed a bit like a bash to me,i dont think there are any steroids that have proven safety records,if there are it wont be at dosages bodybuilders use.
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RE: Epistane - May 13 2008 21:23:13
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yes i made that mistake of confusing ph's with ds's to which i was quickly corrected by you and adil if memory served me right, and i give thanks for that as learned quite a lot that day, i bookmarked it for future ref as i still cant remember all of it (that and something else Khany posted ages ago with a whole big ass list of things like transdermal DHT's etc) 
Im not bashing Epi at all mate, ive thought about using it myself to try and tackle existing gyno but ive been advised by various people not to. ive read the medical lit on epi's parent compound and epi has been out a few years with no long term data on its safety even though its parent compound has been out significantly longe (decades i think) , agreed that most compounds that have a medical background like test, dbol etc have little data in the dosages bb'ers use there is more anecdotal evidence around supporting the sides and any issues that may arise
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RE: Epistane - May 13 2008 21:30:51
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yes i agree fully with u on that,but i believe epi has been used by enough people now to know as far as steroids go its a pretty safe one regarding sides,ive used it myself and would say its one of the mildest steroids ive used{for sides not gains},i dont think there are any safety issues with this compound,id be more worried about superdrol myself!
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RE: Epistane - May 13 2008 21:32:16
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id be more worried about superdrol myself!
i agree with you on that 100% 
actually while youre on here mate, got any experience with Ralox and Letro?
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RE: Epistane - May 13 2008 21:32:42
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Eddie I mean this im the best possible way mate, but I'm at odds with your comments about Epi so I'll mention it.
I read that you used an underground lab's Clen product.
Now how can you make comments about a products track record when you use an underground labs products which obviously have no track record and based on recent developments have indeed possibly issued some very dodgy products indeed.
To the original poster. Yes Epi requires PCT, unless you are pulled into the whole pulsing marketing hype.
I'm on day 7 of an Epi + Test E cycle and absolutely LOVING the strength, feelgood and stamina gains this is giving me. Highly recommend it.
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RE: Epistane - May 13 2008 21:33:28
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letro yes,very potent stuff,as is adex,havent used ralox.
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RE: Epistane - May 13 2008 21:38:52
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Eddie I mean this im the best possible way mate, but I'm at odds with your comments about Epi so I'll mention it.
I read that you used an underground lab's Clen product.
Now how can you make comments about a products track record when you use an underground labs products which obviously have no track record and based on recent developments have indeed possibly issued some very dodgy products indeed.
i took the risk mate, i stopped taking clen after 3 days on it, couldnt hack the sides, very harsh for me. Heard good things from it and AXIO had a good track record for it. I did my research i weighed up the pros and cons and i made a choice, i accepted the consequences of my actions. Im not telling anyone to stay away from AXIO though because i didnt get on with a product of theirs.
Meat05: what was your experience on Letro if you dont mind me asking, what dose and time did you run it for?
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RE: Epistane - May 13 2008 21:46:18
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i only run anti es on cycle,i ran it for 8 weeks and to be honest cant remember the dose it was a while back,at the mo im running 1 mg adex mon,wed fri and finding it very good for estrogen suppression,20-40mg of aromasin per day would also be a good option.
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RE: Epistane - May 13 2008 21:50:18
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thanks. im looking into running it for a way of trying to kill my pubertal gyno without surgery. Ive posted in TAOS and will stop hijacking this thread as i dont want to be rude to the OP
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RE: Epistane - May 13 2008 21:52:06
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not sure if it will help that type of gyno,i may be wrong though,having the lumps removed will be a better option,a goodfriend of mine has just had it in and out same day.
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RE: Epistane - May 13 2008 21:52:11
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got any experience with Ralox
Not asked to me, but my brother has used generic 'evista' on many occasions for PCT. He rates it highly, and according to his bloods....It has a similar effect on lipids (in a positive way) as toremifene.
He usually uses toremifene for PCT nowadays
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RE: Epistane - May 13 2008 21:56:09
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Meat: cant afford 3k right now to gt it chopped out, i can get meds though dirt cheap so i wanted to try that first.
Adil: thank you very much for that tidbit
would anybody who has info mind posting it in the thread i created in TAOS
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RE: Epistane - May 13 2008 22:06:55
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epi is just a methylated version of epitiostanol a clinically used anti estrogen that has been out for about 40 years.
while the effect of methylation has not been clically proven common sense tells us that it is highly unlikely to significantly alter the effects of the product other than to increase its oral bioavailability and cause some hepatoxicity.
pct is needed, gains are very good for most and side effects low, as with all steroids a proper understanding is needed re the positive and negative effects before use.
thousands of user reports have shown no cause for concern, and it has proven effective anecdotally in many at helping with/reversing gyno, obviously the unmethylated version is clinically proved effective at treating gyno but lower dose were used clinically.
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