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ORIGINAL: fah_gedda_boudit


However.........superman had nothign on me: I could hammer masonary nails into concrete with it, & I had a hard on for most the 2 weeks I was on it nearly: it basically turned it to solid steel lol.

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ORIGINAL: steve124149

Utter bollox.

I had a look at that site, reads like an academic who's done all the studying and none of the doing.

'how to make weight for a fight' utter crap I'd like to see this muppet in the ring on that diet

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ORIGINAL: steve124149

Utter bollox.

I had a look at that site, reads like an academic who's done all the studying and none of the doing.

'how to make weight for a fight' utter crap I'd like to see this muppet in the ring on that diet

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ORIGINAL: HotGal

is it free?

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ORIGINAL: James

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ORIGINAL: steve124149

Utter bollox.

I had a look at that site, reads like an academic who's done all the studying and none of the doing.

'how to make weight for a fight' utter crap I'd like to see this muppet in the ring on that diet

Why?[What's wrong with it?/b]

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ORIGINAL: steve124149

Everything mate. All that sugar just before, madness. and all that food in your stomach is just fcuking crazy, must weight upwards of 1 lb . and he's even said specifically no salt! the stupidity is compareable to suggest a steroid cycle to a novice of 1g test+ 2g deca+ 2g tren w/o PCT

Seeing as you had to ask I'd reckon you either never fought or have fought at heavyweight/superheavyweight

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ORIGINAL: James

I should point out though, that I do compile tailored plans for top level fighters, some do quite well. Not all win though.

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ORIGINAL: Chamber

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ORIGINAL: James

I should point out though, that I do compile tailored plans for top level fighters, some do quite well. Not all win though.

Ah So you're doing something wrong then James... tut tut!!! (j/k)

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ORIGINAL: steve124149

Utter bollox.

I had a look at that site, reads like an academic who's done all the studying and none of the doing.

'how to make weight for a fight' utter crap I'd like to see this muppet in the ring on that diet

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ORIGINAL: JohnOvManchester
James -
I think you should vid yourself eating all the diets and doing all the professions and sports... the only one I will let you off for is the ages... you still have to do the female ones for the vids on youtube.

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1) Everything mate: - well you've mentioned 2-3 points. So what else?

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2) All that sugar just before, madness. - why? You're carb depleted and need to carb up quickly. You need to get the carbs into the muscle quickly, or you won't last one round. I have a feeling you're not reading the text beforehand! is this the case? What would you suggest as an alternative and why? You need to justify yourself fully though.

me, anyway, sleepy. I know it sounds ridiculous sugar making someone sleepy- but for whatever reason, it does.

Carbing up, as it has been taught to me, should be done the day before the weigh in, about 20 hours before the fight. If you still need to lose a pound or two it's something that you should sweat off. The closest (food) to the fight IIRC is bannas 1 hour before. Also something small about 2-3 hours before the fight, but very small- and no simple sugars but make sure you're getting salt.

Perhaps if you were very young, or very comfortable in your weight class, you could get away with sugar straigt before, but IME it's a bad idea, the metabolism is already slowed down from the weeks calorie deficiet. I'm not just reiterating words of my boxing coaches- I've found truth in it personally.

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3) and all that food in your stomach is just fcuking crazy, - but you're in a state of depletion. Plus, like you point out, it's sugars!! These will be absorbed rapidly. Besides it isn't that much food. try it - you'll see

lol, err no thanks. It is a lot more food than i've ever eaten on the day of the weigh in or fight. Besides you shouldn't be depleted if you ate the day before. were it the case that you had not eaten the day before- a big breakfast would be all I'd have if it was me.

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4) and he's even said specifically no salt! the stupidity is compareable to suggest a steroid cycle to a novice of 1g test+ 2g deca+ 2g tren w/o PCT
- Mate I really do not think you've grasped what the plan is about. It's not just a pre-fight plan. It's a making a weight plan. If you have salt, you'll hold water and not make a weight

First, sorry for the way that's written. again I didn't know it was you who worte it. The salt is for immediately after the weigh in, it's been done for decades by trainers to help endurance, and it works. It's even used by long distance runners. I'm not suggesting to be on a high salt diet, but after the weigh in I swear by it.

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5) Seeing as you had to ask I'd reckon you either never fought or have fought at heavyweight/superheavyweight - of course I've never fought! I'm not a fighter! I am, like you say, an academic. I am also not a diabetic, nor a PKU, nor cricketet, nor a footballer, nor a vegetarian, nor a Muslim! Where shall I stop?!!!! Your suggestion is ludicrous TBH! Do you only do and see a doctor about an in grown toenail if the doctor has had an in grown toenail LOL?!

Fair point, but what i ment by that was that if you had been in the position where you were about to step in the ring with all that food in your stomach, no salt but plenty of simple sugar, you would likely pause for a minute and wonder where you went wrong. I'm not having a pop mate, but to advise someone to drop salt pre-fight and to eat that much on the day of the fight may be seen as irresponsible. In theory it may make all the sense in the world but in practice it comes up short IMO.

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I guess by your theory, then I should only write bodybuilder's plans.

I should point out though, that I do compile tailored plans for top level fighters, some do quite well. Not all win though.

But, I'm not arrogant enough to think others don't have a point of view, so please post what you would do to improve it. I don't like it though, when people say they don't like my advice without arguning their point fully. So far you've identified a few issues you think are wrong but have not said why. So clearly state your reasons but do not be closed minded enough to think that you're right and that I will not counter justify.

Is this fair enough, or not?

(Never been picked up on this plan before though, and I have had variations of it published in Muscle & Fitness and Fighters Only magazines)

How very diplomatic Personally mate I don't believe in a one-size-fits-all, just guidlines as I've included. Feel free to counter argue the points I've made, I'll gladly have a think about any suggestions you may have. The top-level-fighters you speak of, don't they weigh in the day before the fight? If that's the case then that changes everything.

I know I've come across as arrogent in my first post, I appreciate that others will think differently, and other schools of thought may be just as correct, or even more so- but my opinion, while still impressionable, is based on my own experience, and works for me; especially that sugar one. i thought it would help but sadly no it did not.

Steve

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ORIGINAL: fah_gedda_boudit


However.........superman had nothign on me: I could hammer masonary nails into concrete with it, & I had a hard on for most the 2 weeks I was on it nearly: it basically turned it to solid steel lol.

(in reply to James)

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ORIGINAL: fah_gedda_boudit


However.........superman had nothign on me: I could hammer masonary nails into concrete with it, & I had a hard on for most the 2 weeks I was on it nearly: it basically turned it to solid steel lol.

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ORIGINAL: steve124149

Right, err sorry. I didn't know you wrote it and didn't mean to call you out like that but what's done is done and I'll justify what I've said. Don't take this as having a pop, it's not ment as such.

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1) Everything mate: - well you've mentioned 2-3 points. So what else?

I can't go through all of it- it would take too long but the 3 points I mentioned were the ones that really stuck out when reading it. And the whole plan hinges on the fight being in the late afternoon, 2 hours after the weigh in.

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2) All that sugar just before, madness. - why? You're carb depleted and need to carb up quickly. You need to get the carbs into the muscle quickly, or you won't last one round. I have a feeling you're not reading the text beforehand! is this the case? What would you suggest as an alternative and why? You need to justify yourself fully though.

I was always taught to eat the day before- TBH that's where most of the energy comes from. Sugar, straight like that (bearing in mind simple sugars except fruit have been completely erradicated from the fighters diet a good fortnight before) will make me, anyway, sleepy. I know it sounds ridiculous sugar making someone sleepy- but for whatever reason, it does.

Energy comes from the day before, time before that and the day of the event. Sugars can make people sleepy, but not when carbs have been depleted for so long

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Carbing up, as it has been taught to me, should be done the day before the weigh in, about 20 hours before the fight. If you still need to lose a pound or two it's something that you should sweat off. The closest (food) to the fight IIRC is bannas 1 hour before. Also something small about 2-3 hours before the fight, but very small- and no simple sugars but make sure you're getting salt.

Carbing up cant be done the day before. Sweating weight off, is fine, but you need to rehydrate - lack of fluid is more of a problem than lack of carbs. Why bananas? You need to fuel before, you can carb load quickly. I'm not saying that some work shouldn't be done on the previous day, but pre-event is crucial too. I think you've got confused - this plan is making a weight for a fight NOT fueling for a fight - they are ENTIRELY different scenarios. Read the text around it!

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Perhaps if you were very young, or very comfortable in your weight class, you could get away with sugar straigt before, but IME it's a bad idea, the metabolism is already slowed down from the weeks calorie deficiet. I'm not just reiterating words of my boxing coaches- I've found truth in it personally.

Disagree, but I think I have found the problem - you havent read it properly and you're confusing things.

However good point - I need a plan for fuelling for a fight irrepective of making a weight - I'll add one then you can slate that without reading it properly

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3) and all that food in your stomach is just fcuking crazy, - but you're in a state of depletion. Plus, like you point out, it's sugars!! These will be absorbed rapidly. Besides it isn't that much food. try it - you'll see

lol, err no thanks. It is a lot more food than i've ever eaten on the day of the weigh in or fight. Besides you shouldn't be depleted if you ate the day before. were it the case that you had not eaten the day before- a big breakfast would be all I'd have if it was me.

Will you read it properly!!! This is making a weight - NOT fuelling for a fight without making a weight

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4) and he's even said specifically no salt! the stupidity is compareable to suggest a steroid cycle to a novice of 1g test+ 2g deca+ 2g tren w/o PCT
- Mate I really do not think you've grasped what the plan is about. It's not just a pre-fight plan. It's a making a weight plan. If you have salt, you'll hold water and not make a weight

First, sorry for the way that's written. again I didn't know it was you who worte it. The salt is for immediately after the weigh in, it's been done for decades by trainers to help endurance, and it works. It's even used by long distance runners. I'm not suggesting to be on a high salt diet, but after the weigh in I swear by it.

Salt can be used - correct - and if you read the plan again, you'll see it there - in an isotonic drink! However salt doesn't help endurance - it helps rehydration - have a read: http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-hydration.aspx - I wrote that

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5) Seeing as you had to ask I'd reckon you either never fought or have fought at heavyweight/superheavyweight - of course I've never fought! I'm not a fighter! I am, like you say, an academic. I am also not a diabetic, nor a PKU, nor cricketet, nor a footballer, nor a vegetarian, nor a Muslim! Where shall I stop?!!!! Your suggestion is ludicrous TBH! Do you only do and see a doctor about an in grown toenail if the doctor has had an in grown toenail LOL?!

Fair point, but what i ment by that was that if you had been in the position where you were about to step in the ring with all that food in your stomach, no salt but plenty of simple sugar, you would likely pause for a minute and wonder where you went wrong. I'm not having a pop mate, but to advise someone to drop salt pre-fight and to eat that much on the day of the fight may be seen as irresponsible. In theory it may make all the sense in the world but in practice it comes up short IMO.

You are wrong. 1) That isnt much food 2) there is salt, 3) there's not that much sugar 4) you're not reading it right

I have only advised them to drop salt to dehydrate to make a weight - if they don't they won't make it. Read the plans again

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I guess by your theory, then I should only write bodybuilder's plans.

I should point out though, that I do compile tailored plans for top level fighters, some do quite well. Not all win though.

But, I'm not arrogant enough to think others don't have a point of view, so please post what you would do to improve it. I don't like it though, when people say they don't like my advice without arguning their point fully. So far you've identified a few issues you think are wrong but have not said why. So clearly state your reasons but do not be closed minded enough to think that you're right and that I will not counter justify.

Is this fair enough, or not?

(Never been picked up on this plan before though, and I have had variations of it published in Muscle & Fitness and Fighters Only magazines)

How very diplomatic Personally mate I don't believe in a one-size-fits-all, just guidlines as I've included. Feel free to counter argue the points I've made, I'll gladly have a think about any suggestions you may have. The top-level-fighters you speak of, don't they weigh in the day before the fight? If that's the case then that changes everything.

The only true thing you've said. One size doesn't fit all - hence why I run a consultancy which devised tailored plans. As said, if you'd read the text again, the plan is not there to be followed to the T, but to be there as a tool for learning. The fighters vary, some have a full 24 hours before - lucky and easy; some the morning - still easy, some about 7pm - not easy. My generic plan has to cover the worst scenario

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I know I've come across as arrogent in my first post, I appreciate that others will think differently, and other schools of thought may be just as correct, or even more so- but my opinion, while still impressionable, is based on my own experience, and works for me; especially that sugar one. i thought it would help but sadly no it did not.

You would have a fair point about sugar, but you have missed the point of the sugar in this plan. You have taken it out of context - which does concern me though as others may also.

How can I make it clearer that this is for making a weight? I guess having another plan which isn't will make it clearer.


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ORIGINAL: zeroms

I pointed a friend of mine to this site who happens to be a full contact european title holder who says it has helped him make the weight easier than usual ......64kg's for those interested.

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ORIGINAL: fah_gedda_boudit


However.........superman had nothign on me: I could hammer masonary nails into concrete with it, & I had a hard on for most the 2 weeks I was on it nearly: it basically turned it to solid steel lol.

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Carbing up cant be done the day before. Sweating weight off, is fine, but you need to rehydrate - lack of fluid is more of a problem than lack of carbs. Why bananas? You need to fuel before, you can carb load quickly. I'm not saying that some work shouldn't be done on the previous day, but pre-event is crucial too. I think you've got confused - this plan is making a weight for a fight NOT fueling for a fight - they are ENTIRELY different scenarios. Read the text around it!

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You are wrong. 1) That isnt much food 2) there is salt, 3) there's not that much sugar 4) you're not reading it right

I have only advised them to drop salt to dehydrate to make a weight - if they don't they won't make it. Read the plans again

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ORIGINAL: fah_gedda_boudit


However.........superman had nothign on me: I could hammer masonary nails into concrete with it, & I had a hard on for most the 2 weeks I was on it nearly: it basically turned it to solid steel lol.

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ORIGINAL: steve124149
Bannas, I think, is something about potasium. Perhaps I have taken your post in the wrong light, but what's the point making the weight for a fight you're not going to have? My position is that you need to balance making the weight with having the right stuff to get through the fight. So a balance between fueling and making the weight.

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that's a hell of a lot of food to be in your stomach considering you're going to fight in a few hours IMO, and far too much sugar- any refined sugar being too much. I've had a googleing of 'isotonic drinks' and ok fair enough I wasn't that clued up on them but still I can't see it being a replacement, also there's a bit of sugar in those things.