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RE: Falling off the dieting wagon. - May 15 2008 16:54:13
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Actually 'cheating' can every so often be a positive thing.
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RE: Falling off the dieting wagon. - May 15 2008 16:58:46
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Drewsky are you talking in regards to the mental break it gives to prolonged dieting or the physical and hormonal responses to such feedings? I.e. leptin etc.
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RE: Falling off the dieting wagon. - May 15 2008 16:59:21
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or not so much cheating but a re-feed carb up.
This can stimulate fat burning again after a lo carbs for days, so i hear.
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RE: Falling off the dieting wagon. - May 15 2008 16:59:51
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incorporating 'unclean' foods into your diet helps keep cravings/sanity at bay
thinking of them as cheats doesn't help eaither
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RE: Falling off the dieting wagon. - May 15 2008 17:04:35
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Personally when i cut i try to go atleast 3-4 weeks with NO cheats, after this time period is over its habit and my taste buds just love plain good clean tasting foods.
Im really a believer in the whole "21 days to make something a habit", and having a weekly cheat would be like giving a drugg a small fix occasionally.
However i did have one on the 4th and have had a few "treats" (milky hot chocolate, packet of crisps) here and there since then, but the cheat meal on the 4th really threw a spanner in the works for me and made the following days dieing REALLY hard so i dont plan to have another big cheat meal (Went to a resturant, 5 salad bowls, 5 rolls, 1 starter of nachos and a big combo platter later and i was loving it) that like again any time soon.
So ill prob just end my current cut without any, but small treats will keep you sane and cheat meals can help raise leptin levels and restore hormones a little bit (One meal probably doesnt do much to them and its more the psycholigical benifits IMO that they have) its like a holiday from work.
Whats your diet like locust? Perhaps the rigidty of a fixed plan with the same foods day in day out is the problem - I personally dont do diet plans like that for that reason, i calorie count daily and eat what i fancy to suit my goals.
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RE: Falling off the dieting wagon. - May 15 2008 17:08:42
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incorporating 'unclean' foods into your diet helps keep cravings/sanity at bay
thinking of them as cheats doesn't help eaither
also a good way of developing an eating disorder
you've changed your tune mate 
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RE: Falling off the dieting wagon. - May 15 2008 17:15:31
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I simply ensure that my cutting diets are not rediculously tasteless and tedious meals. I essentially eat the same things as when bulking the notable changes are smaller carb portions and less egg yolks. Addmitedly I am only dietting to get 'summer lean' not 'stage ripped' but even here, I only do cardio 4 days a week so have plenty of scope to increase CV before diet gets silly. At the weekends I will have family meals at tea time and probably crisps and nuts in the evening too but nothing that will completely undo my Mon-Fri efforts
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RE: Falling off the dieting wagon. - May 15 2008 17:16:10
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Rich, james did my diet its not to different from what i would usually eat.
i dont eat much bad stuff anyway might have a few hob nobs with a cup of tea at night and maybe a chicken shish on a friday night but in general
i eat very clean.
Its more of a mental thing, if i fancy a cookie i cant have it, usually id only have a couple anyway.
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RE: Falling off the dieting wagon. - May 15 2008 17:19:21
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Hi mate with regards to the cheat meal, i set 1 per week - if i didnt i would Go insane! I say to my self from 5pm -12pm Saturday nite im allowed anything.
Normaly only end up having 1 Take away and bit of choclate thats it then i say in my mind next week i think i have xyz. Just make it somethign to lookforward to works for me.
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RE: Falling off the dieting wagon. - May 15 2008 17:21:33
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Its more of a mental thing, if i fancy a cookie i cant have it, usually id only have a couple anyway.
why cant you have it?
you comp prepping?
Yes, what I would say is that if you would normally, and in all other aspects of your diet you have made alterations, then the odd one now and then will still leave you consuming less cals than you would otherwise so don't fret it
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RE: Falling off the dieting wagon. - May 15 2008 17:21:35
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Its more of a mental thing, if i fancy a cookie i cant have it, usually id only have a couple anyway
anywhere else such statements would be synonymous of an ED
only in the bb world it is often encouraged as hardcore
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RE: Falling off the dieting wagon. - May 15 2008 17:23:47
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Its more of a mental thing, if i fancy a cookie i cant have it, usually id only have a couple anyway.
why cant you have it?
you comp prepping?
not at the mo but its a kinda test run for a comp prep next year, but i like to be as strict as poss.
Maybe im to hard on myself but and should slip occasionally but this would just annoy me.
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RE: Falling off the dieting wagon. - May 15 2008 17:46:23
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RE the mental side
Yeah, being able to relax, realise you have relaxed, know that you can get away with it and then get back to the cleaner foods is a useful mindset to develop due to the feelings confidence and control it gives you. The more clean foods you eat though the less you crave 'junk'. Having aid that there is huge variation between people here
Re: Leptin
I have read the support research but not sure how much I would be able to put down what I have seen in practice to this effect.
Re: metabolic re-setting
Yes I think this is a useful thing for those dieting stirckly and long term
Re: Carb ups and calorie ccyling
Yes again, useful for the increased training performance it allows
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