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RE: Admit a prejudice - May 17 2008 0:56:16
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It is about prejudices you recognise within yourself that are perhaps (as prejudice's are) unfounded, unwarranted, based on stereotypes or irrational beliefs.
is the concept to subtle for some to grasp or are they just not reading it properly?
Dunno.
Inner rage is farting out of the pressure valves at any opportunity.
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RE: Admit a prejudice - May 17 2008 0:58:56
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it happens alot here, maybe we are performing an essential function for the collective unconscious?
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RE: Admit a prejudice - May 17 2008 1:03:16
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it happens alot here, maybe we are performing an essential function for the collective unconscious?
We are Jung!
Heartache to heartache we stand!
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RE: Admit a prejudice - May 17 2008 1:11:59
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it happens alot here, maybe we are performing an essential function for the collective unconscious?
Yeah now all you need is a cape
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RE: Admit a prejudice - May 17 2008 1:16:07
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Kurds...
Ive known so many and its the same face with them all in my experience.
I started off as a sympathizer to this people who dont have their own country and who are persecuted by Turkey and before by Sadam Husain. I always talked in their favour before I met them, then when I started meeting them, (they started working for my dad), I used to try and help them, gave one my old computer, lent them money many times, befriended some, did alot for them and in the end they didnt respect any of it.
So I must admitt that I dont give them the time of day any more although I would wish any bad on anyone really.
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RE: Admit a prejudice - May 17 2008 1:21:54
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Yeah now all you need is a cape not with you?
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RE: Admit a prejudice - May 17 2008 4:59:14
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Young black people
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RE: Admit a prejudice - May 17 2008 7:37:54
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Eastern European men who are in the UK are likely to be involved in crime
A prejudice of mine, based on my experiences
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RE: Admit a prejudice - May 17 2008 13:11:17
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I've studied some interesting literature on stereotypes and prejudice within social psychology. It would seem that they are almost impossible to supress, and when one tries to they will manifest in other ways. A study was conducted by Neil McCrae I believe, who, to desribe it in very basic terms, asked people to describe a picture of a skinhead. One group was asked to describe without resorting to stereotypical statements (i.e. supressing their stereotypical beliefs), the other group wrote what they wanted. Then, participants were moved into a different room, where they were lead to believe that they would meet the skinhead in the photo (his 'stuff' was on a chair but he was out of the room).
Those in the stereotype supression condition were more likely to sit further away from the skinhead than those who had written what they wanted, with it concluded that by supressing stereotypical beliefs, they will still subconsciously manifest in other ways (i.e. keeping distance from the skinhead). See Wegner's ironic process model for more on this and the 'rebound effect' of stereotype supression.
Prejudice it seems has a big survival basis that has evolved over time (think cavemen seeing a strange looking person wandering around their territory), and more often than not isn't actually a bad thing.
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RE: Admit a prejudice - May 17 2008 13:21:43
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Prejudice it seems has a big survival basis that has evolved over time (think cavemen seeing a strange looking person wandering around their territory), and more often than not isn't actually a bad thing.
AP, i can see that it is usefull to be wary of the unknown, but should we not encourage people to look at whether there is a rational basis to be wary of any particular group of people, or is is that we all have a certain amount of prejudice and if we dispell one prejudice we will replace it with another.
In the case of the skinhead what would have happened if the researchers had tried to dispell rather than suppress the belief that the skinhead was a threat?
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RE: Admit a prejudice - May 17 2008 13:31:19
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but should we not encourage people to look at whether there is a rational basis to be wary of any particular group of people,
That is the main point of the research in this field that is emerging - a lot of what humans do isn't actually always 'rational', but it occurs at a subconscious level, automatically. This has evolved in humans, because more often than not it will help us to survive. So, despite how irrational we can logically deduce a behaviour such as prejudice to be, we will still do it.
People have the view that humans are 100% rational, calculated beings, but its seems alot of what we do is based on our 'heuristic' rules of thumb.
This is how salespeople and marketing can exploit and entrap consumers so easily, by targeting people's unconscious mental shortcuts. For instance, put a Dr in front of someone's name (think Gillian McKeith) and she is seen by the layperson as an 'expert' because we have it ingrained into us that a doctor knows what they are talking about.
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RE: Admit a prejudice - May 17 2008 13:38:42
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we will still do it.
but some people do it more than others.
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This has evolved in humans, because more often than not it will help us to survive. is there not some debate over what is 'hardwired' into us by evolution and what is learned behaviour?
You're doing all the work here AP, i should go read a book 
any particular recomendations?
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RE: Admit a prejudice - May 17 2008 13:43:30
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sorry but how is this thread even staying open?
how can this thread be classed as a good thing?
normally i dont care what gets posted but is this for real?
you want people to air their actuall prejudices? how the hell is that a good thing?
you want people to say 'oh you know what i just hate gays, dunno why i just do' or 'i hate them damn immigrants, dunno why, i just do'
how is that in any way a good thing?
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RE: Admit a prejudice - May 17 2008 13:44:50
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sorry but how is this thread even staying open?
how can this thread be classed as a good thing?
normally i dont care what gets posted but is this for real?
you want people to air their actuall prejudices? how the hell is that a good thing?
you want people to say 'oh you know what i just hate gays, dunno why i just do' or 'i hate them damn immigrants, dunno why, i just do'
how is that in any way a good thing?
The first step towards tackling a prejudice is to acknowledge it.
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RE: Admit a prejudice - May 17 2008 13:45:15
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I hate dumb people with a passion!
Especially people that are too thick to use a cash machine properly, it takes under a minute to tap in your pin number and withdraw cash, if it takes you over 3 minutes - then you must be truly stupid and by Darwin's laws - you should die as a consequence of natural selection!
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RE: Admit a prejudice - May 17 2008 13:48:21
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right so if a member came on here and said ya know what, i hate jews with a passion. i dont know why. i just do.
then you 'attempt' to tackle it how?
by showing that person that they are a jew hater? well done, they already know that... so then what? try and point it out to everyone else as well? and how does that benifit anything here?
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sorry but how is this thread even staying open?
how can this thread be classed as a good thing?
normally i dont care what gets posted but is this for real?
you want people to air their actuall prejudices? how the hell is that a good thing?
you want people to say 'oh you know what i just hate gays, dunno why i just do' or 'i hate them damn immigrants, dunno why, i just do'
how is that in any way a good thing?
The first step towards tackling a prejudice is to acknowledge it.
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RE: Admit a prejudice - May 17 2008 13:59:31
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right so if a member came on here and said ya know what, i hate jews with a passion. i dont know why. i just do.
then you 'attempt' to tackle it how?
by showing that person that they are a jew hater? well done, they already know that... so then what? try and point it out to everyone else as well? and how does that benifit anything here?
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sorry but how is this thread even staying open?
how can this thread be classed as a good thing?
normally i dont care what gets posted but is this for real?
you want people to air their actuall prejudices? how the hell is that a good thing?
you want people to say 'oh you know what i just hate gays, dunno why i just do' or 'i hate them damn immigrants, dunno why, i just do'
how is that in any way a good thing?
The first step towards tackling a prejudice is to acknowledge it.
Onion, your scenario is similar to how I am. I had nothing against a certain sect of people until bewtween hubbie and myself we had bad experiences of them in working conditions. This was 4 separate occasions with 4 different people (I thought it was 3 at first but have remembered another one).....I appreciate I can't judge all these people by these 4 but I am now very wary of them, will never knowingly work directly under one again nor knowingly employ one. If ever I meet one socially I will have to grow to like them rather than judge them on immediate meeting.
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RE: Admit a prejudice - May 17 2008 14:10:59
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Yep im the same, 3 times i have worked on large design projects for a particular group of people, and all 3 times i got knocked and ripped off and i will never work with them again unless money is up front. I wont deal with them in the construction industry either.
Yes its a prejudice, but no, i dont see how telling anyone on this board about who they are and what my prejudice is will in anyway benifit things other than to give certain members on here the thrill of reading about peoples said prejudices.
Then they can jump on the racists, sexists, and everything else 'ist' bandwagon.
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RE: Admit a prejudice - May 17 2008 14:15:18
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I can understand your thoughts but the thread has stayed reasonable so that's why it has remained open. I would rather read this than someones latest shagging conquest which we get more of  It's interesting to see how others think. I know my thoughts are completely out of order but I can't help it, I could say the minority of these people have turned me 'against' the majority.
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