Hi,
Well looks like I will take the plunge and go with my first cycle, like a kid with a big toy Eh !! . Have put some words below on what I will be doing and why and the plan is to start the cycle Monday next week.

Will just give my starting stats now and try and update at the end of the cycle before PCT starts. Will be using Epistane, and have two cycle options, 4 or 5 week Epistane cycle but will review and see how I react. Will be using Nolva for PCT but have Clomid to hand as well.

Stats at the moment:
Height = 5’ 8’’
Weight = 68Kgs
BF% = 14.5 (approx, according to scales)
Age = 46 - yeah forget the Zimmer-Frame jokes

Training, will be doing a 4 day split with 3 days off/week. Have not put my schedule in but if anyone wants to see it will do so. Basically will be doing the below & cardio two days a week:

Monday - Chest/Biceps/Abs
Tuesday - Back/Hamstrings
Thursday - Delts/Traps/Triceps/Abs
Friday - Quads/Glutes/Calves


Have been training for the past two years and I feel that I fall in the hard-gainer profile, and would like to put on some good quality muscle. Granted you will put on some fat but want to try and keep this down to a minimum. My diet at the moment is ok (I think) and every Sunday is my eat-what-I-want day, otherwise I would go fecking mad. This is what my diet comes to at the moment (aprox), any ideas will this be ok for this cycle.

Calories = 2750
Protien = 230gm
Carbs = 300 gm
Fats = 45gm


Epistane (4 week)
Week 1 - 20mg each day
Week 2 - 20mg each day
Week 3 - 30mg each day
Week 4 - 40mg each day

Epistane (5 week)
Week 1 - 20mg each day
Week 2 - 20mg each day
Week 3 - 30mg each day
Week 4 - 30mg each day
Week 5 - 30mg each day


PCT:
Clomid:
Day 1 - 150mg ED
Day 2-10 - 100mg ED
Day 11-21 - 50mg ED

or

Nolvadex:
Day 1 - 60mg ED
Day 2-10 - 40mg ED
Day 11-21 - 20mg ED



Supplementation
3 days prior - Liv 52 & Pro Liver (throughout the cycle including PCT).

Along side PCT, use CISSUS-Drol to help boost testosterone as try keep as much muscle possible that I have gained.

Additional:
Pre-Workout - BCAA/Leucine (2:1:1 ratio), CEE, AAKG & Glutamine
Post-Workout - BCAA/Leucine (2:1:1 ratio) & Glutamine
Multivitamin, Glucosamine (morning & evening)
Vitamin C

Another supplement that I will include is Ecdysterone (ECDY), a lot of people say this a waste of space/time BUT I have made some good progress from it. The sort of dosage I was doing was starting off @ 0.5gm per day and then over “say” a 6 week period/cycle, pyramid up to 2.5gm/day (spread evenly) - the gains I achieved over a 6 week period was about 4lbs.

ECDY, does require high protein input so with opting for Epistane (which I believe is best with high protein and low carbs), am wondering what will happen !!

OBTW, saw a reply/post early on with regards to Gyno & PCT saying that a SERM is not really necessary unless Gyno symptoms occur, an if symptoms do occur then Yes you need to start Nolva immediately. As far as I understand then using a SERM in PCT is crucial to prevent Gyno starting/occurring - am I wrong. My question what is correct now !! Excuse my ignorance here and no offence intended to anyone etc….

What sort of gains could I make in total !!

Anyway, sorry to ramble on and hope you have not fallen asleep

Feedback most welcome.

All The Best,
GF

Do the five week option.

 

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Awesome, good luck mate! Im starting my first epi cycle in three weeks time, so will be watching your progress closely! Keep updating! Maybe post this in the journal section and go from there.

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I agree with Stavross....5 week option

PCT with nolva or clomid really. I prefer clomid

As far as I understand then using a SERM in PCT is crucial to prevent Gyno starting/occurring - am I wrong

Depends on the compound really

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As far as I understand then using a SERM in PCT is crucial to prevent Gyno starting/occurring - am I wrong

Depends on the compound really



Hi Adil, stupid question but could you please expand on this so I can understand further mate.

Thanks

ORIGINAL: God Father

As far as I understand then using a SERM in PCT is crucial to prevent Gyno starting/occurring - am I wrong

Depends on the compound really

Hi Adil, stupid question but could you please expand on this so I can understand further mate.

Thanks


I think what he meant is that SERMs only protect you against gyno brought on by Test/AAS that is converted to estrogen. If the AAS is progestin-based then the SERM won't protect you.

fah_gedda_boudit: "At the end of the day I don't think it really matters what it tastes like. If the liquid stuff is what you can get, well ger'it down yer neck & cowboy up"

echo others in saying go for 5 weeks, or do 6 if you have enough gear mate! pretty much looks spot on, obv keep cals high as possible and keep us up to date on your progress. have a good one!

My SD cycle log

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m_2788118/tm.htm

Cheers Guys,

Will keep you updated

One last thing. It's good to know that there is so much info & help in the forum and all you need to do is ask. It's fantastic that people help & share their experiences and it's what makes a good forum work & gel together.

Keep it up

I'll be interested in your feekback as I am also interested in running some epi alongside some test

Does anyone know how androgenic epi is? Thinking in terms of the hairline here....Adil, anyone?

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My SD cycle log

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m_2788118/tm.htm

Looks like you got it covered mate, and as with the sentiments above I agree with the 5 week as a minimum. If you're gaining well of 20mg then I would even recommend you run it for 6 weeks at just 20mg; it's what I've just done and it's been great.

Having a baby girl :)

Adil knows nothing, and he's never online!

Perhaps you could answer my question then, smart-ass

ORIGINAL: firest0rm

Looks like you got it covered mate, and as with the sentiments above I agree with the 5 week as a minimum. If you're gaining well of 20mg then I would even recommend you run it for 6 weeks at just 20mg; it's what I've just done and it's been great.

Cheers Dude.

Generally, if diet/training/supplements are ok then when do the gains start to kick in. Also when does your body start to respond and what are the sort of symptoms/little things that you start to feel (apart from your Testicalus, starting to shrinking to peas..)

OBTW, cheers for the fast delivery of the stuff. MUCHO Thanks.

ORIGINAL: God Father

apart from your Testicalus, starting to shrinking to peas

I wouldn't worry yourself about this mate. Going on a comparatively light cycle for 4-6 weeks is unlikely to result in any shrinkage.

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As above, I've not noticed any at the dose I've been on.

And you should feel Epistane kick in by about day 10.

Having a baby girl :)

Hi,

Week 1 update:


Well end of my first week yesterday, just a quick update to what happened & progress so far…..

I started with Epi 2 tabs/ED beginning of last week and initially felt ok, but what did happen about Wednesday is that I got really lethargic and “in some respects” felt that I did not want to train. This effect subsided on Friday and felt ok again and my mood/lethargy went, consequently had a good session on Friday morning - not as good but better

As for strength increasing etc…. well nothing happing in that department yet - I was not expecting anything to happen so soon. My weighs I was lifting had dropped but I put this to the previous week before the cycle, I had a bit of a lazy week. So maybe with this and the lethargy within my first week caused this to happen….maybe, I don’t know…

On the good side now…

My weight has increased by 0.7 Kg (~1.5lbs), (using Tantia digital scales and previous recorded body stat’s) - works out to roughly an increase in equal bodyfat and muscle mass. I do look a bit more puffy (sounds stupid I know..) but this could be due to water retention..maybe…!!

To conclude: I have upped to 30mg/ED as I feel that I can at the moment .

Will do another update next week, hopefully will start to see the effect’s kick in by then, if not might be a tad disappointed. Till then….

Thanks again guys for listerning..

cheers for the update, i would look at 30mg for 6 weeks (inc what you already ran at 20mg), use a preworkout stimulant before the gym just to make sure you are getting the most out of your session. look forward to the update.

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ORIGINAL: ihawk

cheers for the update, i would look at 30mg for 6 weeks (inc what you already ran at 20mg), use a preworkout stimulant before the gym just to make sure you are getting the most out of your session. look forward to the update.

Cheers dude.

Yep first week 20mg/day, 2nd week onwards 30mg/ED. I normally take this just before a meal with Udo's (7gm of fat), is this ok or should it be more !!

Epithin timings, do these sound about right:

1st @ 08:00
2nd @ 15:00
3rd @ 22:00

Bed about 23:00

Anyway, I will be training this morning at 11:00 so looking forward to this

Cheers I

ORIGINAL: Abdul

Adil knows nothing, and he's never online!

Perhaps you could answer my question then, smart-ass

Try and sense when something's a joke

My SD cycle log

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m_2788118/tm.htm

ORIGINAL: Abdul

I'll be interested in your feekback as I am also interested in running some epi alongside some test

Does anyone know how androgenic epi is? Thinking in terms of the hairline here....Adil, anyone?

I do recall some logs saying that they'd noticed hair thinning on Epi. Whether or not; a. this is MPB or just thinning or b. If this reverses once you're off the compound; I don't known/can't remember.

fah_gedda_boudit: "At the end of the day I don't think it really matters what it tastes like. If the liquid stuff is what you can get, well ger'it down yer neck & cowboy up"