Ok so i was using bigtime and now ive been off for about 6 months.feeling alot healthier internally ect

but my problem is i feel **** about myself.ive lost about 8lbs of muslce id say as fat seems to have remained making em just look flabby.ive gone from a 32" to a 36" in the process of getting bigger.ive got massive fking streach marks on my shoulders bies and chest.Reason for me posting is i go on hoilday in 1 week and i just feel embarrassed about my look at the mo.im so used to having pumped up muscles then being normal just doesnt cut it.

i proberly look better then the adverage bloke but not my best which is causing me abit of a head fk.

so my choices are run it all off.....loose Bf and get trim but smaller or use gear agin to get the muscles looking good.i dunno what todo but i have to say im getting down about it.im eating crap as i see no point,trainings off for first time in 3yrs and any guys on here know me know im normally wellinto all this.just fell like im letting myself go and with out drugs i wont reach my peak again.


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u just point the biggest problem with roids, hard to come back from the dark side, and become human again...

i'd say, if ur old, have kids, a wife, a job and so on, stay off as you wanted, otherwise, just go for a 3 month cycle per year, before summer, it wont kill u !

Ive just done a 12 week natural cut mate and its not as bad as you think, ive lost no muscle and ive got abs.

you know its all about dedication and effort, you can still look great doing 3 month cycles.

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think its a constant battle we all go through mate, i was thinking the same thing the other day, though im still on but i wonder if what its doing to me is worth the benefits.

i think its alot harder to accept being normal looking once you have been anything else.

i never really used to think about what i looked like, physique wise, i was athletic and knew i looked good.

now i worry about it all the time, and feel far worse than i ever did!

If i was in your shoes i dont think i would be able to resist the temptation but to do some gear, having got training etc back on track

do the cardio and lose the fat and your gona feel really skinny! or i would anyway

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but i want to try and work on my health.ive trained for 3 yrs on gear bulking gone from 12-17 stone (peak) however i never did cardio ever!!!!

this has made me big fair enough but my health is poor.im starting to really sweat wehn training i dont think i could run a fkin mile.so my plan for this next 12 months was to try and get fit and try and retain some size.

do you think gears worth using in this situation?

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If you have been off for 6 months then you should be able to cut without loosing too much muscle. You will look better leaner believe me.Obviously this wont help you for your holiday in 1 week but it might give you something to aim at when you get back.Can I ask why you came off the gear ?

I had a big 'off' spell myself. Gave me a chance to reasses what I was doing and how I was doing, and what I wanted out of it. Whne being on, the truth is, some of your sins get masked by the benefits AAS still gives you and then when you ar eoff nothing goes to plan or as awell as it was.

If it was me: I would look to get things nailed again, get myself in to the condition I want to be at an dthen look to rebuild on top of that. I'm not far off being my lightest for about 5 years or more (almost definately more) - but I am stronger on most things still and when not in baggy clothes, look bigger (and as a result don't need to wear baggy clothes so much )

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seriously though accept you're not going to be the size of Coleman w/o gear. Sounds like this upcoming holiday is just what you need. come back refreshed, go back to basics; eat tons, work hard get huge!

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you are physically stronger than the overwhelming majority.

you were at your best not long ago, you can be there again not long from now.

if you've stuck with that routine for so long and not gained anything on your arms its a sign it aint working.

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yeah just sick of feeling fat and unfit wanna get some abs out and feel good.at the mo i just dont like what ive created and wanna be a pretty boy again lol

think the cloths shopping today for hols hasnt helped as i just felt like a frump.lol 36" shorts and nothing seems to look good...seems to be cool to be skinny at the min and all the decent cloths just ait fiting so i have to wear big baggy jeans all the time and t shirts.i just feel scruffy.(fk me lol talk about winge)

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but i want to try and work on my health.ive trained for 3 yrs on gear bulking gone from 12-17 stone (peak) however i never did cardio ever!!!!

this has made me big fair enough but my health is poor.im starting to really sweat wehn training i dont think i could run a fkin mile.so my plan for this next 12 months was to try and get fit and try and retain some size.

do you think gears worth using in this situation?

probably not to be honest, guess you will just have to get your head round being a bit lighter.

but if your diet is ok, and you keep the weight heavy, your still going to be alot heavier than you were when you started at 12 stone! and your health will benefit massively

definately the best thing in the long run if you can get your head into a place where your happy with it

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I had a big 'off' spell myself. Gave me a chance to reasses what I was doing and how I was doing, and what I wanted out of it. Whne being on, the truth is, some of your sins get masked by the benefits AAS still gives you and then when you ar eoff nothing goes to plan or as awell as it was.

yeah this is it,see when bulking i just went mad as i could getaway wth it,ate fking anything and everything.cause im so tall i dont really get that fat just tad round the midsection but not alot.so because i was smacked off my tits ongear i had a mssive cheat and arms and everything else which hid the fact id gained BF%.now im off and the pumps have died down im left with a belly and feeling flabby.tbh i thin i need to start again.

ive learnt many lessons from the last 3 yrs tbh i should right an article about the right and wrong ways to use gear and train ect as ive experimented with all of it.

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probably not to be honest, guess you will just have to get your head round being a bit lighter.

but if your diet is ok, and you keep the weight heavy, your still going to be alot heavier than you were when you started at 12 stone! and your health will benefit massively

definately the best thing in the long run if you can get your head into a place where your happy with it

yeah deffo think i need to get the journal going again and deffo need a push in the right direction.I mean also my lifes changed in the last 3 yrs too which affects me.i was free and single ish back then.now i work all hours got a missis,saving for a house ect ect its harder than it was.and tbh last thing after 8 hrs u want is 2 hrs gym.guess ive lost my mojo

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i think this is a good thread

please write the article

your posts have really emphasised the the real dark side to the dark side and not just the huge pumped muscle mass

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If you had the chance to do it all over again, would you do it differently?

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If you had the chance to do it all over again, would you do it differently?

YES!

lower doses,cleaner food maybe woulda trained for longer too. There is alot of things that many on here dont talk about i feel.

steriods do afffect the mind more than some like to make out.ive seen a few people get massivley depressed once they come off or after yrs of abuse.

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I sympathize with you on this...It's not fun feeling like sh*t, although I wouldn't worry too much mate because you can fix your situation with a little dedication and effort.

I don't think jumping back on the gear is gonna be the best solution though.

From what you've said, it seems you've got caught up in the whole size game.

ive trained for 3 yrs on gear bulking gone from 12-17 stone (peak) however i never did cardio ever!!!!

That's a lot of weight to add in a relatively short time frame. You've added over 1 stone every year!!! crazy. And no cardio!!

Of course from a bodybuilding perspective, mass is important no doubt.
But the trouble is, I think too many guys become more and more obsessed with getting as big as they possibily can beyond reasonable doubt and ultimately end up ruining their physique and their health in a quest to do so.

Without trying to sound rude, 90% of the guys I've seen who are using stupid amounts..etc. don't have the physique to justify what they use. They all wanna be bigger than the next guy. I don't know what your stats are, but 17 stone is a lot of weight to be carrying about.

so my plan for this next 12 months was to try and get fit and try and retain some size.

I think that's definately the way to go mate.
So what if you lose a little size or feel skinny? By the sound of it from what you said, that extra bulk isn't muscle anyway, it's bodyfat.
Work on your conditioning, lose a few lbs and go from there. It sounds like you've been bulking up for the whole 3 years!! so it's about time...lol Besides, if you are in good condition you can actually look bigger than you are. A lot of it is creating the illusion.

Seriously though, don't sweat about it too much. You can change things and get to where you wanna be. It does take time and it isn't easy, but you can do it with a little dedication and hard work.

Good luck

yeah agree see i dont know weather to do low dose cycle with 30 mins running everyday and training or no gear and try with out.dont think i can cope with another feel great for 3 months then it fades and feel crap.i think maybe if i stay off it maybe better

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yeah agree see i dont know weather to do low dose cycle with 30 mins running everyday and training or no gear and try with out.dont think i can cope with another feel great for 3 months then it fades and feel crap.i think maybe if i stay off it maybe better

only thing you could consider would be to maybe do a non aromatisable cycle for a couple of months to help hold onto the muscle while cutting, maybe anavar or something like that, you wont get the pumped up feeling, so it wont be so hard to mentally come off, as there is no water to drop, might just help retain the mass you worked for while your losing the belly. but you need to get the drive back to train.

You could fit a full weights routine into 3 x 45 minute sessions a week. you must have time for that!!

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pred get training. You progress over the years has been imense mate.

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I sympathize with you on this...It's not fun feeling like sh*t, although I wouldn't worry too much mate because you can fix your situation with a little dedication and effort.

I don't think jumping back on the gear is gonna be the best solution though.

From what you've said, it seems you've got caught up in the whole size game.

ive trained for 3 yrs on gear bulking gone from 12-17 stone (peak) however i never did cardio ever!!!!

That's a lot of weight to add in a relatively short time frame. You've added over 1 stone every year!!! crazy. And no cardio!!

Of course from a bodybuilding perspective, mass is important no doubt.
But the trouble is, I think too many guys become more and more obsessed with getting as big as they possibily can beyond reasonable doubt and ultimately end up ruining their physique and their health in a quest to do so.

Without trying to sound rude, 90% of the guys I've seen who are using stupid amounts..etc. don't have the physique to justify what they use. They all wanna be bigger than the next guy. I don't know what your stats are, but 17 stone is a lot of weight to be carrying about.

so my plan for this next 12 months was to try and get fit and try and retain some size.

I think that's definately the way to go mate.
So what if you lose a little size or feel skinny? By the sound of it from what you said, that extra bulk isn't muscle anyway, it's bodyfat.
Work on your conditioning, lose a few lbs and go from there. It sounds like you've been bulking up for the whole 3 years!! so it's about time...lol Besides, if you are in good condition you can actually look bigger than you are. A lot of it is creating the illusion.

Seriously though, don't sweat about it too much. You can change things and get to where you wanna be. It does take time and it isn't easy, but you can do it with a little dedication and hard work.

Good luck

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