How do!

Most of you will either have ran Cissus-Drol or at least read about it, so the brand Generic Labz won't be unknown to you. They've made some cracking products including a clone of Epistane named Epithin-E. I've tried 3 different brands of Epistane now, just finishing my Epithin-E.

The first time I ran Epistane was the clone by EST called Methyl-E. At the time I enjoyed it but then later in the year I ran the official Epistane product by IBE and noted in my journal that IBE's version seemed "purer" than EST's. The analogy I used was this; the difference between the two was like drinking two beers, one which was 4.5% and one which was 5%. The difference between the two was marginal, yet there nonetheless. Although it seemed fairly unbelievable that one could be different to the other (several people actually questioned my findings in my log) it has since been revealed that EST's epistane clone was indeed "underdosed", and therefore not as potent as IBE's. I'm mentioning this simply because I noticed the difference without needing to be told about it.

Moving onto Epithin-E. I'll admit I began taking Epithin-E with an already positive attitude towards the company which came from my experience with their Cissus-Drol, which I loved. Epithin-E is without a doubt just as pure and potent as IBE's version. I ran an entire cycle at 'just' 20mg a day, which compared to doses typically being ran by Epistane users is very low indeed. Throughout my 6 weeks on Epithin-E I was on a cutting routine, with lots of cardio and reduced calory intake. I wasn't expecting massive amounts of gains from Epithin-E, due to being on a cut, and I was using it mainly to help retain strength and hopefully retain muscle. Epithin-E did just that, and much more. Throughout my cycle I was constantly breaking personal bests; personal bests which I set during a 12 week Epistane/Superdrol cycle on a bulk over last winter. Although I don't train for strength it does help with your ego as well as mood when you break a PB. For a better overview of my strength increases you can have a look in my journal, link in my signature.

This isn't a 'review' as such, as we all know what Epistane does, but more of a confirmation to the validity of Epithin-E as a clone. 20mg on a cut, with good strength increases, I can't ask for much more than that!

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was like drinking two beers, one which was 4.5% and one which was 5%

MMMmm, beer flavoured Epi - sounds lovely!

fah_gedda_boudit: "At the end of the day I don't think it really matters what it tastes like. If the liquid stuff is what you can get, well ger'it down yer neck & cowboy up"

I can see me starting on this September/October time.

How much Clomid PCT would you recommend for 30mg Epi ED for 6 weeks Firestorm?

Unfortunately i can't say the same.
I'm not telling you're wrong, I think we have each personal experience, but if i should rate IBE Epistane and Epithin in my case, i would say 30 mg Epithin equals 20 to 25 mg Epistane.
Like you say, the difference isn't so much, and i did (or i should say i'm doing as i didn't finish yet) quite the same cycle as yours (my doseage here : http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m_2762686/tm.htm ).
By the way, Epithin is not bad, just a very little less potent as IBE.
JB

Would it be possible to pulse it at 30mg for 3/4 days a week for 4 weeks, then use cissus drol for a pct (even if not really needed).

I know pulsing isnt seen as an efficient method but wondering of the possibilities.

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Would it be possible to pulse it at 30mg for 3/4 days a week for 4 weeks, then use cissus drol for a pct (even if not really needed).

I know pulsing isnt seen as an efficient method but wondering of the possibilities.

May be possible if you do a lookup youll find more info but id be a lot happier post cycle wise just doing a proper cycle with full PCT. You can always use the CD in PCT along with the nolva/clomid.

Unfortunately i can't say the same.
I'm not telling you're wrong, I think we have each personal experience, but if i should rate IBE Epistane and Epithin in my case, i would say 30 mg Epithin equals 20 to 25 mg Epistane.
Like you say, the difference isn't so much, and i did (or i should say i'm doing as i didn't finish yet) quite the same cycle as yours (my doseage here : http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m_2762686/tm.htm ).
By the way, Epithin is not bad, just a very little less potent as IBE.
JB

they are exactly the same supplement, with exactly the same amount of steroid, any difference will be down to diet and training.

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they are exactly the same supplement, with exactly the same amount of steroid, any difference will be down to diet and training.

You must have your own lab to be so affirmative l, i'm just suspecting that one have maybe 10,02 mg, the other one 9,98 mg (I didn't measure them, it's just for the example). but of course i agree that both of them are as good...

I passed from one to other one without any break (during the same cycle), so i could compare them easily (and i kept one bottle of IBE to finish my cycle as i prefered it from Epithin).
But as there is no more IBE avalaible, Epithin is a good choice for replacement.
JB

You must have your own lab to be so affirmative l , i'm just suspecting that one have maybe 10,02 mg, the other one 9,98 mg (I didn't measure them, it's just for the example). but of course i agree that both of them are as good...

I passed from one to other one without any break (during the same cycle), so i could compare them easily (and i kept one bottle of IBE to finish my cycle as i prefered it from Epithin).
But as there is no more IBE avalaible, Epithin is a good choice for replacement.
JB

they both have 10mg, the only supps company that did put out an underdosed product was actually IBE but it was quickly noted a protocols changed.

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yeah,my first cycle is epithin e,30mg for 6-8 weeks,just finished first bottle.

nothing to compare to,but i agree with firestorm,ive made leaps to getting my strength back,have gained size lost b/f,and made some other improvements,all in calorie defecit.

trixta, how much did u drop down in bodyfat? and how much did you strenght increase by? im going to run epithin in a weeks time stacked with furazadrol

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trixta, how much did u drop down in bodyfat? and how much did you strenght increase by? im going to run epithin in a weeks time stacked with furazadrol

dunno how much will apply mate,but ive gone from probably 16-18% b/f(rough guess) at 183 lbs,to 14% b/f at 195lbs.

thats with weight done dry,but ive no doubt im holding water,and scales arnt 100% accurate.

size wise,ive lost a lot of fat off my pecs,traps have grown a bit,i have less b/f overall and about an inch on my arms,delts are bigger,and waist is couple inches smaller.

the next 2-4 weeks will be when i up cardio and make some changes to my training/diet,as till now ive done more or less keto diet,with carbs around training,and short duration bag work/mma training as cardio.

strength wise im still weaker than my best on bench at two stone heavier,arms arnt as strong or back,but shoulders and squats are improving fast,by a good 5kg on db press,and 10kg on my 20 rep squat(there is much more strength in the tank on the squats,but the breathing is difficult for me)

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I can see me starting on this September/October time.

How much Clomid PCT would you recommend for 30mg Epi ED for 6 weeks Firestorm?

Just the standard dosing regime should suffice. Day 1 150mg, days 2-11 100mg, days 12-21 50mg

Unfortunately i can't say the same.
I'm not telling you're wrong, I think we have each personal experience, but if i should rate IBE Epistane and Epithin in my case, i would say 30 mg Epithin equals 20 to 25 mg Epistane.
Like you say, the difference isn't so much, and i did (or i should say i'm doing as i didn't finish yet) quite the same cycle as yours (my doseage here : http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m_2762686/tm.htm ).
By the way, Epithin is not bad, just a very little less potent as IBE.
JB

I think everybody has good and bad experiences with all brands, companies and shops, and I also think it's important to speak out and provide information too.

Would it be possible to pulse it at 30mg for 3/4 days a week for 4 weeks, then use cissus drol for a pct (even if not really needed).

I know pulsing isnt seen as an efficient method but wondering of the possibilities.

I personally don't think pulsing something like epi is worth it, but to be fair a few people have had good results. The decision is ultimately yours. If you've never ran a cycle before and regardless of whether you're pulsing or not I think a serm is needed. If you have ran cycles before you need to think about how DS's affect you, whether you had aromatization sides etc. As CD contains 6bromo I think it would be "ok" to run as PCT, but not without a serm on hand, and this is obviously risk taking. If something goes wrong you'll only be able to blame yourself!

Having a baby girl :)

No I havent run a cycle before, but have been tempted! I understand in saying that the serm would be needed but I think I have that comfortable feeling if its OTC, even though theres some dodgy stuff that can have some serious bad effects when bought like that

If pulsing needs a serm, why is it worded as a non-required caution?

Firestorm maybe I'm out of order saying this and I honestly dont mean to offend but you do seem to get a little carried away with all these new supps.I cant keep up with all the products I've heard you mention in various threads.You seem very in tune with your body by the way you claim to notice subtle effects of certain things.I just cant help thinking you have something to gain somehow but I cant find any evidence of you supporting any one company or supplier. I just read another thread where you recommended about 4 or five supps for cutting which I'd never heard of to a guy who wasn't natural , while completely ignoring the tried and tested stuff like eca or clen.Are you just sharking for free samples or what ?

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No I havent run a cycle before, but have been tempted! I understand in saying that the serm would be needed but I think I have that comfortable feeling if its OTC, even though theres some dodgy stuff that can have some serious bad effects when bought like that

If pulsing needs a serm, why is it worded as a non-required caution?

due to the simple fact that said companies are selling a steroid. if they openly admit it theyll get done

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Firestorm maybe I'm out of order saying this and I honestly dont mean to offend but you do seem to get a little carried away with all these new supps.I cant keep up with all the products I've heard you mention in various threads.You seem very in tune with your body by the way you claim to notice subtle effects of certain things.I just cant help thinking you have something to gain somehow but I cant find any evidence of you supporting any one company or supplier. I just read another thread where you recommended about 4 or five supps for cutting which I'd never heard of to a guy who wasn't natural , while completely ignoring the tried and tested stuff like eca or clen.Are you just sharking for free samples or what ?

lol

I do of course love free samples. Money is tight for me, but I would never lie or recommend something that did nothing for me regardless of how it affected future free stuff.

I've tried eca, and in my opinion ephedra is overrated. Fat burners I think are overrated too. I prefer fat 'liberators'. I've never ran clen simply down to the sides I know it can give, and how many of my mates have been hit by them. They might be tried and tested but it doesn't mean I have to like them

Whether you'll believe me or not I've been offered free stuff from companies I don't like and have actually turned them down.

Having a baby girl :)

lol

I do of course love free samples. Money is tight for me, but I would never lie or recommend something that did nothing for me regardless of how it affected future free stuff.

I've tried eca, and in my opinion ephedra is overrated. Fat burners I think are overrated too. I prefer fat 'liberators'. I've never ran clen simply down to the sides I know it can give, and how many of my mates have been hit by them. They might be tried and tested but it doesn't mean I have to like them

Whether you'll believe me or not I've been offered free stuff from companies I don't like and have actually turned them down.

Fair do's mate but can you maybe see where I'm coming from ? I know supps have moved on from the bad old days of FRAC and Cybergenics but I still thinks theres a lot of snake oil out there. Oh and I've got to disagree about eph, fair enough you might not like it but to say it's overrated is pretty much flying in the face of millions of users experiences.

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lol

I do of course love free samples. Money is tight for me, but I would never lie or recommend something that did nothing for me regardless of how it affected future free stuff.

I've tried eca, and in my opinion ephedra is overrated. Fat burners I think are overrated too. I prefer fat 'liberators'. I've never ran clen simply down to the sides I know it can give, and how many of my mates have been hit by them. They might be tried and tested but it doesn't mean I have to like them

Whether you'll believe me or not I've been offered free stuff from companies I don't like and have actually turned them down.

Fair do's mate but can you maybe see where I'm coming from ? I know supps have moved on from the bad old days of FRAC and Cybergenics but I still thinks theres a lot of snake oil out there. Oh and I've got to disagree about eph, fair enough you might not like it but to say it's overrated is pretty much flying in the face of millions of users experiences.

I know where you're coming from mate, but I only recommend stuff I've used and liked. If someone doesn't think I'm being honest then it's up to them to ignore my opinions.

Eph increases metabolism by... 3%? Granted its anti-catabolic and appetite suppression are amazing, but there are a fair few sides which come along with that. As we're constantly told, supplements arn't magic pills.

Having a baby girl :)