hey guys

two questions:

1) based on your experience what would be your ideal firts cycle if you were bulking and have been working out for one year and assuming that your diet was ok and routine was also sorted?

2) when you ussed gear for the first time you think you had enough knwoledge of the topic or just copied another cycle? based on the results would you do it differently?

thanks

first cycle for nearly everyone should be 500mg test enanthate in my opinion.

i started gear at the right time, but i knew little about it. doing it again, i wouldnt have stacked for my first cycle, i would have kept it simple

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the argument in my gym is from only dianabol for 8 weeks

to three months of deca, sust and winds

which i think is a big difference

and we are talking of a cycle for the same guy how people can have such a diffeent approach to it amaizes me

some guys were saying to the other guy keep it simple the others if you are doing spend the money and do a true cycle
otherwise is just a waist of money and I do tend to agree with this line of argument

as testosterone being the base of every cycle then obviously it has to be incorporated into the cycle. for a first cycle all you need is 250mg enantahte/week

thanks

its not for me I am thinking and researching about mine

just an arfgument this wednesday on my gym

spend the money or its a waste just isnt true!

a cycle of 500mg test per week is going to be the best value for money cycle you will ever run if its a first time user. and if you use 3 drugs the first time how do you know which ones work and which dont? quite simply you dont.

i really believe that a new user on a first cycle would see little difference between a test only cycle, and a test, deca, dbol cycle. maybe more water retention, and a larger chance of uncontrolable sides, but little extra in the way of gains.

of course its impossible to tell,

but with gear, a good rule of thumb is to use as little as possible to get results.

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ORIGINAL: dazc

spend the money or its a waste just isnt true!

a cycle of 500mg test per week is going to be the best value for money cycle you will ever run if its a first time user. and if you use 3 drugs the first time how do you know which ones work and which dont? quite simply you dont.

i really believe that a new user on a first cycle would see little difference between a test only cycle, and a test, deca, dbol cycle. maybe more water retention, and a larger chance of uncontrolable sides, but little extra in the way of gains.

of course its impossible to tell,

but with gear, a good rule of thumb is to use as little as possible to get results.

so how would you do it

test e 500 twice a week durring two or three months? isn't 500 way too much for a first time?


would you increase it and reduce it towards the end? you would keep it flat always 500 os test e?

how would you clean it and for how long?

500mg test enanthate per week mate, split into two injections 250mg each, monday and thursday, something like that

id say 8-10 weeks is more than long enough for a first cycle.

id just keep the dose the same from the start to the finish.

pct starts 2 weeks after the last shot.

very simple, nice and cheap, sides are easy to control, and the gains will be good if everything is as it should be

rotor cuffs are a nightmare society founding member

For me personally if i had my first cycle again i would have started on atleast 1g test e a week.

"When i let go of what i am, i become what i might be"

ORIGINAL: dazc

500mg test enanthate per week mate, split into two injections 250mg each, monday and thursday, something like that

id say 8-10 weeks is more than long enough for a first cycle.

id just keep the dose the same from the start to the finish.

pct starts 2 weeks after the last shot.

very simple, nice and cheap, sides are easy to control, and the gains will be good if everything is as it should be

what would you do for pct and for how long?

ORIGINAL: Scott32

For me personally if i had my first cycle again i would have started on atleast 1g test e a week.

and you would be no further on than you are now, excpet maybe with your doseages, and the resulting ill health effects

rotor cuffs are a nightmare society founding member

500 mgs twice a week?

with which weight did you start man?

isn't that way too much
the balls will disapear
:-)

ORIGINAL: paulom

ORIGINAL: dazc

500mg test enanthate per week mate, split into two injections 250mg each, monday and thursday, something like that

id say 8-10 weeks is more than long enough for a first cycle.

id just keep the dose the same from the start to the finish.

pct starts 2 weeks after the last shot.

very simple, nice and cheap, sides are easy to control, and the gains will be good if everything is as it should be

what would you do for pct and for how long?

me personally, i would run hcg at low dose through the cycle, and pct would be 50mg clomid ed for 2 weeks, and at least 3 weeks nolva, the first week at 40mg per day, 20mg per day after that.

others may use different doses and schedules

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ORIGINAL: dazc

ORIGINAL: paulom

ORIGINAL: dazc

500mg test enanthate per week mate, split into two injections 250mg each, monday and thursday, something like that

id say 8-10 weeks is more than long enough for a first cycle.

id just keep the dose the same from the start to the finish.

pct starts 2 weeks after the last shot.

very simple, nice and cheap, sides are easy to control, and the gains will be good if everything is as it should be

what would you do for pct and for how long?

me personally, i would run hcg at low dose through the cycle, and pct would be 50mg clomid ed for 2 weeks, and at least 3 weeks nolva, the first week at 40mg per day, 20mg per day after that.

others may use different doses and schedules

be specific low dose of hcg?! how low is low? how many times a week in the same days that test?

clomid and nolva at the same time pct since there are several ways to do it?


i have a friend of mine that did a test only cycle

fine result massive hair loss your experiencies with that guys? would you run fenisteride to avoid it?

ORIGINAL: dazc

ORIGINAL: Scott32

For me personally if i had my first cycle again i would have started on atleast 1g test e a week.

and you would be no further on than you are now, excpet maybe with your doseages, and the resulting ill health effects

I disagree, i think i would have put more on during my first cycle, thus be bigger right now.

"When i let go of what i am, i become what i might be"

ORIGINAL: paulom

500 mgs twice a week?

with which weight did you start man?

isn't that way too much
the balls will disapear
:-)

1g of test on its own isnt really that much, i did the right thing at the time but IF i new how my body works with test i would have stepped up the dose.

I am 5,8 and was 15.3stone when i started.

"When i let go of what i am, i become what i might be"

ok and how would you clean it

test e?

What do you meen by clean?

I would have ran teste/c yerp.

"When i let go of what i am, i become what i might be"

clean or pct as some guys call it

test will shut you down and you need to stimulate your bosy to produce it again and also you need to clean the liver and all that

Lol you dont really clean the liver mate, you just try and restore natural test as fast as possible.

I would just run nolva 60mg, 40mg, 20mg for 3 weeks and clomid 50mg ed for 4 weeks.

"When i let go of what i am, i become what i might be"