Or maybe do

Weeks 1 - 12 Test E 500mg pw
Weeks 1 - 6 pp 30mg
Weeks 7 - 14 epi - 30mg

or maybe thats too long on orals....i wish i never asked for suggestions now im confused now.

I'd go with PP over the 2 weeks just because of the SD sides but Im sure some would say SD instead because SD will kick in quicker. I'd take 50mg ed prov. I'm doing that with my SD cycle and it's definitely having a positive effect, though my balls are still not in great shape haha.

My SD cycle log

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m_2788118/tm.htm

yep, prov @ 50mg e/d

what about epistane weeks 11-14?

 

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Why get so complex? I have read your log and can't help but thinking this is not really a suitable cycle for someone who hasn't really trained much or really knows how to train correctly. Looking at the way u have trained shoulders and arms says u may be better off with doing things a bit better rather than jumping into drugs now. I think this is reflected in a modest body. If u really have to take steroids half your dose and use one drug.

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"a modest body"

have you been reading my personal ads again, Wisey?

My SD cycle log

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m_2788118/tm.htm

James nice cycle fella and if you run it will you run a log? I will be most interested in your experience and gains as have a similar cycle in mind for a later date.

I agree with Stav go for something like EPI of Hdrol for the last 4 weeks, this should help you drop some water retention that will happen with test e and maybe help drop a little fat at the end of the cycle.

50mg ed prov is always a good idea.

Something else for you to think about is running PP for the first 6 weeks and missing SD out altogether?

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ORIGINAL: WiseyP

Why get so complex? I have read your log and can't help but thinking this is not really a suitable cycle for someone who hasn't really trained much or really knows how to train correctly. Looking at the way u have trained shoulders and arms says u may be better off with doing things a bit better rather than jumping into drugs now. I think this is reflected in a modest body. If u really have to take steroids half your dose and use one drug.

Yes you are clearly right i do not know what I am doing, completely rushed into things. What is body building?!

ORIGINAL: stavross

yep, prov @ 50mg e/d

what about epistane weeks 11-14?

Yes i was contemplating something like that actually, i wil definateley invest in some prov then.

ORIGINAL: Taz

James nice cycle fella and if you run it will you run a log? I will be most interested in your experience and gains as have a similar cycle in mind for a later date.

I agree with Stav go for something like EPI of Hdrol for the last 4 weeks, this should help you drop some water retention that will happen with test e and maybe help drop a little fat at the end of the cycle.

50mg ed prov is always a good idea.

Something else for you to think about is running PP for the first 6 weeks and missing SD out altogether?

Yep i will probably do a log to document my progress, plan to start mid August hopefully.

Yea maybe i should run pp for 6 weeks instead of using SD, then use epi for the last 4 weeks.

So much thinking to do.

or maybe do pp 6 weeks epi for 8 weeks with the test 4 for the first 12 weeks or maybe thats too long on orals?

ORIGINAL: James21


Yes you are clearly right i do not know what I am doing, completely rushed into things. What is body building?!

From your pictures and training plan along with bodyweight I would agree as most other would if they were no worried about offending u with the truth.
12 stone something and not close to being cut, let alone sliced but u feel a cycle of 4 different drugs is needed to grow?
Those who tell u drugs are required are selling u short, those who say u need all the stuff u typed above are irresponsible. U may not like what u are hearing but reality check. Train longer and think longer ahead before wasting natural gains and your testicles

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From your pictures and training plan along with bodyweight I would agree as most other would if they were no worried about offending u with the truth.

I agree, TBH. Sorry James

12 stone something and not close to being cut, let alone sliced but u feel a cycle of 4 different drugs is needed to grow?
Those who tell u drugs are required are selling u short, those who say u need all the stuff u typed above are irresponsible. U may not like what u are hearing but reality check. Train longer and think longer ahead before wasting natural gains and your testicles

Good advice

ORIGINAL: WiseyP

ORIGINAL: James21


Yes you are clearly right i do not know what I am doing, completely rushed into things. What is body building?!

From your pictures and training plan along with bodyweight I would agree as most other would if they were no worried about offending u with the truth.
12 stone something and not close to being cut, let alone sliced but u feel a cycle of 4 different drugs is needed to grow?
Those who tell u drugs are required are selling u short, those who say u need all the stuff u typed above are irresponsible. U may not like what u are hearing but reality check. Train longer and think longer ahead before wasting natural gains and your testicles

I was 13stone 9lbs last week when i last weighed myself not 12st 'something'...

Please please say where i have stated i need steroids to grow?!

No one has told me drugs are required, no one here who has posted advice has said i 'need' anything, they have simply answered my questions.



I joined this forum back in 2006 to look into steroid and been researching since then, how will i loose my testicles exactly is someone going to cut them off?

Do you think i am not going to do a correct/decent PCT and take all the necessary precautions and time off after the cycle. From the impression i get from you, you seem to think i have been training for a few months just pop down to the gym once in a blue moon throw some weights around then eat a couple of kebabs.

Why would i honestly be offended by some troll on a internet forum?

Anyway please back on topic i simply asked for advise on this cycle not to be criticised etc, i am big enough and old enough to make my own decisions thanks.

Troll on an internet forum, man in the street, trainer in the gym...They will all think the same thing I'm afraid and if they say anything different they are either lying or trying not to offend u. Suggesting the only reason someone would question u is because they are a troll is even more alarming. Lets see u get cut with some muscle on u and u have a point, until then I'm afraid if u are asking for subjective critique of your pictures u will get honest responses. I await the usual 'post your pictures the response' instead of actually addressing the issue. If u put photo on the net expect some people to be honest and its not because they are trolls that they sugget lowering drug levels and to train right

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Weeks 1 - 12 Test E 500mg pw
Weeks 1 - 6 pp 30mg
Weeks 7 - 14 epi - 30mg

How about;

Weeks 1-12 = 500mg test
weeks 1-3 = 20/30mg SD
weeks 9-14 = 30mg epi

Alternatively instead or SD for the first 3 weeks, you could try pheraplex for 4 weeks (which would then give you a 5 week break between orals).

If concerned about hepatoxicity try frontloading test. Week 1 = 1000mg, week 2 = 750mg, then continue as normal, and run epi for something like 30mg epi weeks 8-14

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ORIGINAL: WiseyP

Troll on an internet forum, man in the street, trainer in the gym...They will all think the same thing I'm afraid and if they say anything different they are either lying or trying not to offend u. Suggesting the only reason someone would question u is because they are a troll is even more alarming. Lets see u get cut with some muscle on u and u have a point, until then I'm afraid if u are asking for subjective critique of your pictures u will get honest responses. I await the usual 'post your pictures the response' instead of actually addressing the issue. If u put photo on the net expect some people to be honest and its not because they are trolls that they sugget lowering drug levels and to train right

Im not asking you to post your pics you are completely going off topic..

In this topic i have simply asked about advice on various compunds for my steroid cycle if you wish to 'critique' my progress and pictures then please be my gues but do so in my journal...

ORIGINAL: Daari

Weeks 1 - 12 Test E 500mg pw
Weeks 1 - 6 pp 30mg
Weeks 7 - 14 epi - 30mg

How about;

Weeks 1-12 = 500mg test
weeks 1-3 = 20/30mg SD
weeks 9-14 = 30mg epi

Alternatively instead or SD for the first 3 weeks, you could try pheraplex for 4 weeks (which would then give you a 5 week break between orals).

If concerned about hepatoxicity try frontloading test. Week 1 = 1000mg, week 2 = 750mg, then continue as normal, and run epi for something like 30mg epi weeks 8-14

Thanks some food for thought.

ORIGINAL: James21

ORIGINAL: WiseyP

Troll on an internet forum, man in the street, trainer in the gym...They will all think the same thing I'm afraid and if they say anything different they are either lying or trying not to offend u. Suggesting the only reason someone would question u is because they are a troll is even more alarming. Lets see u get cut with some muscle on u and u have a point, until then I'm afraid if u are asking for subjective critique of your pictures u will get honest responses. I await the usual 'post your pictures the response' instead of actually addressing the issue. If u put photo on the net expect some people to be honest and its not because they are trolls that they sugget lowering drug levels and to train right

Im not asking you to post your pics you are completely going off topic..

In this topic i have simply asked about advice on various compunds for my steroid cycle if you wish to 'critique' my progress and pictures then please be my gues but do so in my journal...

Thats right and there are some points above u can take away

1 drug, not 4

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OP, what is your previous cycle experience?

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