Iv just recived my P-Plex and Xtreme Tren from Ihawk (speedy delivery as always mate) and am thinking of idea's on how to run them as iv never ran either of the two meds. I have one tub of P-Plex (90 caps) and 2 tubs of Xtren (180 caps) i was thinking-

6 weeks of P-Plex, 30mg, ed and 90mg of Xtren ed, together, followed by Standard nolva PCT (21 days) + Trib, and Xlean

or

6 weeks of P-Plex, 30mg, ed followed by 8 weeks of Xtren at 90mg, ed, followed by Standard Nolva PCT + Trib and Xlean

Im hopeing for, Leanish gains and nice strength gains, 2-4lbs after PCT would be good. so im not going to go mad on the calories, Reason why is, im cutting at the mo, goal is to get down to 13stone (lost 11lbs in 3 weeks, at 13stone 13lbs now) then in August start to lean Bulk my why back up to 14stone+ while keeping my BF% lowish.

Any idea's on the cycle are welcome

Cheers.

I don't think there would be any point in running the xtren for 8 weeks after your pheraplex cycle. Xtren is good as a strength booster, muscle hardener etc, but as a standalone you won't notice a great deal from it. On top of this you'll still be altering your bodies hormone levels over 14 weeks which is even longer than my crazy 12 weeker, and I would imagine it would be difficult 'bouncing back' from it.

I would definately recommend the first out of the two suggestions you've made, although to be honest I think 6 weeks on Pheraplex is a little too long. I find after 4 weeks the sides start getting worse and the gains slow down.

Also another point I'll make, Pheraplex CAN cause water retention. I'll note that not everybody gets it, but from my experience (I've ran pheraplex about 4-6 times, and several different clones) I do get a fair bit of water. As you're cutting the water retention is the opposite to what you want, and if you're on a restricted calorie intake once you see your muscles becoming puffy with the water you'll become a little disheartened.

I recently did a 6 week Epi cycle, on a low dose of 20mg, and I was cutting too. I felt the cycle went great, I gained a fair bit of strength, leaned out, kept my LBM steady whilst I dropped bodyfat. If you're cutting then your goal is to drop bodyfat, not to gain muscle. To that end I would recommend you stick to 20mg of Pheraplex and use it mainly for its anti-catabolic properties, and extra strength etc rather than hoping for oodles of mass. Also, if you run it at 20mg, then I think you could get away with more than 4 weeks usage.

As for the Xtren I'm unsure of what dose to run, I haven't majorly looked into it. I would think about starting off on a lower dose than 90mg initially and seeing how that effects you. If it's giving you the desired results then there is no need to go any higher.

Oh and good luck with your cutting! I've been cutting since January, dropped from circa 21% to 14.1% as of last Saturday, and I've only lost about 13lbs meaning I've gained some muscle too.

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I don't think there would be any point in running the xtren for 8 weeks after your pheraplex cycle. Xtren is good as a strength booster, muscle hardener etc, but as a standalone you won't notice a great deal from it. On top of this you'll still be altering your bodies hormone levels over 14 weeks which is even longer than my crazy 12 weeker, and I would imagine it would be difficult 'bouncing back' from it.

I would definately recommend the first out of the two suggestions you've made, although to be honest I think 6 weeks on Pheraplex is a little too long. I find after 4 weeks the sides start getting worse and the gains slow down.

Also another point I'll make, Pheraplex CAN cause water retention. I'll note that not everybody gets it, but from my experience (I've ran pheraplex about 4-6 times, and several different clones) I do get a fair bit of water. As you're cutting the water retention is the opposite to what you want, and if you're on a restricted calorie intake once you see your muscles becoming puffy with the water you'll become a little disheartened.

I recently did a 6 week Epi cycle, on a low dose of 20mg, and I was cutting too. I felt the cycle went great, I gained a fair bit of strength, leaned out, kept my LBM steady whilst I dropped bodyfat. If you're cutting then your goal is to drop bodyfat, not to gain muscle. To that end I would recommend you stick to 20mg of Pheraplex and use it mainly for its anti-catabolic properties, and extra strength etc rather than hoping for oodles of mass. Also, if you run it at 20mg, then I think you could get away with more than 4 weeks usage.

As for the Xtren I'm unsure of what dose to run, I haven't majorly looked into it. I would think about starting off on a lower dose than 90mg initially and seeing how that effects you. If it's giving you the desired results then there is no need to go any higher.

Oh and good luck with your cutting! I've been cutting since January, dropped from circa 21% to 14.1% as of last Saturday, and I've only lost about 13lbs meaning I've gained some muscle too.

Cheers for the feedback Firest0rm.

Yeah i think im going to go for the first cycle. Yeah, 14 weeks might be a bit too much hard work after.

Im planning on ending my cut on August the 4th if all goes well, i should be at my ideal weight and waist size, before the cycle starts I don't mind adding a little Water ret. during the cycle.

Yeah have run epi before mate, great med. The thing is my P-Plex is 15mg each cap and TBH, i can't be arsed cutting and splitting the caps about.

Yeah, good idea about the XTren mate, i think i will start at a lower dose, as its my first time running, then go up if needed.

Cheers mate my waist has dropt from 35inch, to 34.2inch, and my calves, arms and strength are the same, so hopefully i haven't lost to much muscle.

Good luck with your cut mate, cheers for the reply.

I'd be running the first of your two suggested, at those doses too.

I like the idea of 6 weeks of epi at 30mg stacked with x-tren at 90mg ed for the purposes you describe and that would be my preference, I'd keep the pp to run alone for 6 weeks at 30 or 45mg ed.

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I'd be running the first of your two suggested, at those doses too.

I like the idea of 6 weeks of epi at 30mg stacked with x-tren at 90mg ed for the purposes you describe and that would be my preference, I'd keep the pp to run alone for 6 weeks at 30 or 45mg ed.

Cheers for the reply Celt.

Yeah, was thinking about the Epi but, iv done two cycle's of it now, don't get me wrong great med, i just want to try something diffrent this time round and have heard nothing but great news about P-Plex also, im a bit tight on money at the mo so won't be able to get any more meds.

Did you experence much Water bloat, while running P-Plex mate?

Not a bit mate, which surprised me greatly given all the rumours. I do drink a lot of water anyway and even more on cycle and don't add salt to any of my meals, which all consist of fresh unprocessed foods, so my salt levels will be low on cycle which also helps (but isn't so good on the cramps side!).

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Not a bit mate, which surprised me greatly given all the rumours. I do drink a lot of water anyway and even more on cycle and don't add salt to any of my meals, which all consist of fresh unprocessed foods, so my salt levels will be low on cycle which also helps (but isn't so good on the cramps side!).

Nice. Yeah have heard P-Plex was a wettish med but have heard of some experence no water bloat. Im the same with the water mate, love the stuff, thats the only thing i drink other than the odd fruit juice, im not over keen on salt either and don't add anymore to my meals. Im not too fused with water bloat whilst on as it's easy to get rid of after, but im hoping the less the better for this cycle. Cheers for the reply.