i have been drinking more whey l8ly and am getting wind and you no what else.
does this mean i am lactose intollerent? will fibre supps help me? or will the cause diahrea?

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If you're drinking more whey recently, then that in itself could be causing it.

According to Milos Sarcev (I think I've quoted him a couple times on this forum lol!) we build up allergies to foods we over-use. Thus if you're constantly using whey as a primary source of protein (rather than a mix of sources - e.g. protein blends, whey, casein, chicken, pork, fish etc) it's more likely you'll build up an allergy to whey and thus have more problems and side effects digesting it.

I'd put money on you being able to take a week off it, or swapping protein sources for a week, coming back and it being fine.

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If you're drinking more whey recently, then that in itself could be causing it.

According to Milos Sarcev (I think I've quoted him a couple times on this forum lol!) we build up allergies to foods we over-use. Thus if you're constantly using whey as a primary source of protein (rather than a mix of sources - e.g. protein blends, whey, casein, chicken, pork, fish etc) it's more likely you'll build up an allergy to whey and thus have more problems and side effects digesting it.

I'd put money on you being able to take a week off it, or swapping protein sources for a week, coming back and it being fine.

well its only since wed iv been drinking more. not loads but i always get wind etc from whey if i have 50g+ per serving.

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height: 6ft2
start weight ..... feb 2004: 136ib
current weight 21/mar/08: 212ib
current stats: bulking

Mix it with casein (milk) protein (or replace it with casein protein) and it will slow down digestion.

Bear in mind that slow digestion will slow down release of amino's to the body, which may not be ideal post workout.

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ORIGINAL: ThaiFighter

If you're drinking more whey recently, then that in itself could be causing it.

According to Milos Sarcev (I think I've quoted him a couple times on this forum lol!) we build up allergies to foods we over-use. Thus if you're constantly using whey as a primary source of protein (rather than a mix of sources - e.g. protein blends, whey, casein, chicken, pork, fish etc) it's more likely you'll build up an allergy to whey and thus have more problems and side effects digesting it.

I'd put money on you being able to take a week off it, or swapping protein sources for a week, coming back and it being fine.

well its only since wed iv been drinking more. not loads but i always get wind etc from whey if i have 50g+ per serving.

Possibly lactose intolerant then. You could switch to a WPI (e.g. 90+, ON 100% etc.) and it would reduce it's effects as some WPI's have next to zero lactose.

In terms of fibre, weetabix or psyillium husk could help clear you out and reduce non-wind side effects.

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iv just looked at MP milk protein which is 78% Micellar Casein but its twice the price of unflavoured whey its just about the same price as nutrispot 90+.

there is more Micellar Casein in milk than whey correct? so i dont no why its dearer? im sure i read that when whey was filtered out of milk the Micellar Casein etc was thrown away? now its more expensive that whey

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iv just looked at MP milk protein which is 78% Micellar Casein but its twice the price of unflavoured whey its just about the same price as nutrispot 90+.

there is more Micellar Casein in milk than whey correct? so i dont no why its dearer? im sure i read that when whey was filtered out of milk the Micellar Casein etc was thrown away? now its more expensive that whey

a few yrs ago people used to consider whey the premium ingredient, and casein the cheap crap. markets change i guess....i know there's loads of industrial uses (e.g. in food manufacturing) that casein is used for (as is whey)....i don't know very much about it, but i'd guess that as western diets are being adopted in the wider world...maybe this is having an effect now.

not sure how much casein / whey is in milk :) no doubt someone else will.

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add fats to it

There is approx 80% casein and 20% whey in cows milk.

Mothers milk contains approx 50% of each.

CNP Pro-Peptide is a good blend approx 47% MC 47% W and 6% EW.

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people might start having to eat that dreaded thing called food

Have a look at Cyto Sport's - Muscle Milk.

http://www.cytosport.com/ProductGroup.aspx?ProductGroupID=1

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CNP Pro-Peptide is a good blend approx 47% MC 47% W and 6% EW.

How did you find that out John?

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i have been drinking more whey l8ly and am getting wind and you no what else.
does this mean i am lactose intollerent? will fibre supps help me? or will the cause diahrea?

Hmm well I think there are two questions here.
To slow down the digestion of whey, take olive oil or have your omega 3 caps at the same time.

On topic- I am lactose intollerant(as are 70% of adult humans), and this maybe an odd question but does your wind smell awful? I took too much whey and I got indigestion, diarrhoea, and bad wind. 'Tis not nice.

I've been keeping off wpc "l8ly" and I using isolates, and not drinking milk which has copious amounts of lactose. Problems cleared up almost immediately.

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If you're drinking more whey recently, then that in itself could be causing it.

According to Milos Sarcev (I think I've quoted him a couple times on this forum lol!) we build up allergies to foods we over-use. Thus if you're constantly using whey as a primary source of protein (rather than a mix of sources - e.g. protein blends, whey, casein, chicken, pork, fish etc) it's more likely you'll build up an allergy to whey and thus have more problems and side effects digesting it.

I'd put money on you being able to take a week off it, or swapping protein sources for a week, coming back and it being fine.

That is a complete load of rubbish. If he has said that, then he has no idea what an allergy is. Please TF, ignor what he's saying here, allergies do not work that way. For more info see http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-food-allergy-intolerance-sports.aspx

I hear alot about Milos, and due to his popularity I took it as he was very knowledgable, but things as so obviously and fundimentally falicical as this make credibility fall in an instant. Please tell me TF you did see what's wrong with this, you're a very knowledgable guy!

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CNP Pro-Peptide is a good blend approx 47% MC 47% W and 6% EW.

How did you find that out John?

I work for CNP lol.

Not really mate, I read it on the CNP site from Kerry K this is what he said:

"6% of the total powder is egg white which is added to enhance the very important amino acid cystine. The rest of the powder is made up from peptide bonded glutamine and an equal amount (50-50) of undenatured miceller casein and whey"

Good stuff mate.

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people might start having to eat that dreaded thing called food

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ORIGINAL: ThaiFighter

If you're drinking more whey recently, then that in itself could be causing it.

According to Milos Sarcev (I think I've quoted him a couple times on this forum lol!) we build up allergies to foods we over-use. Thus if you're constantly using whey as a primary source of protein (rather than a mix of sources - e.g. protein blends, whey, casein, chicken, pork, fish etc) it's more likely you'll build up an allergy to whey and thus have more problems and side effects digesting it.

I'd put money on you being able to take a week off it, or swapping protein sources for a week, coming back and it being fine.

That is a complete load of rubbish. If he has said that, then he has no idea what an allergy is. Please TF, ignor what he's saying here, allergies do not work that way. For more info see http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-food-allergy-intolerance-sports.aspx

I hear alot about Milos, and due to his popularity I took it as he was very knowledgable, but things as so obviously and fundimentally falicical as this make credibility fall in an instant. Please tell me TF you did see what's wrong with this, you're a very knowledgable guy!

lol, thanks James.

To be honest, it was the first I'd heard of it, and I sort of took it at face value given his reputation....my lack of detailed medical knowledge....and the fact he prefaced it in the DVD with "my doctor told me..." before he said it. This is the DVD it's in:

http://mesomorphosis.com/store/videos/milos-sarcev-01.html

It's in a 5hr nutritional section he does on the 3rd disk. I tried to find it on YouTube but there's only a short add for it.

I've heard that pet allergies are more common in people who grew up with pets, so figured maybe this would be the same sort of thing. I grew up with a dog and had no problems then, but now get slightly itchy eyes and sneeze occasionally with dogs (like very mild hayfever).

I didn't know food allergies were so rare btw. I remember reading somewhere that lactose intolerance was near endemic. Is it still true that certain populations are more pre-disposed to food allergies than others, e.g. I heard *most* Chinese people are lactose intolerant hence why / possibly because it doesn't feature in their regional diet?

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lol, thanks James.

To be honest, it was the first I'd heard of it, and I sort of took it at face value given his reputation....my lack of detailed medical knowledge....and the fact he prefaced it in the DVD with "my doctor told me..." before he said it. This is the DVD it's in:

http://mesomorphosis.com/store/videos/milos-sarcev-01.html

It's in a 5hr nutritional section he does on the 3rd disk. I tried to find it on YouTube but there's only a short add for it.

I've heard that pet allergies are more common in people who grew up with pets, so figured maybe this would be the same sort of thing. I grew up with a dog and had no problems then, but now get slightly itchy eyes and sneeze occasionally with dogs (like very mild hayfever).

I didn't know food allergies were so rare btw. I remember reading somewhere that lactose intolerance was near endemic. Is it still true that certain populations are more pre-disposed to food allergies than others, e.g. I heard *most* Chinese people are lactose intolerant hence why / possibly because it doesn't feature in their regional diet?

Allergies are poorly understood. But think about it, with pets we're talking about kids, here we're talking about adults for a start.

Also, as per my article, don't confuse intolerance with allergy. Lactose intolerance is near endemic according to lots of self proclaimed experts - but that doesn't make it so - infact it's far from it. But you are dead right that certain populations are more pre-disposed to intolerances than others - West Indies blacks and lactose intolerance. (Note alactasia (the proper name) is an intolerance, not an allergy).

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