Hey guys i previously posted regarding a bulking cycle.

Been in and out of hospital since and am now ready to order a cycle i was advised to buy/use (injectables)

Week 1 : Test Ethanate 1000mg
Weeks 2-12: Test Ethanate 500mg

and of course PCT.

The course i have been looking at is (tablet form)

Week Dianabol (5mg) Nolvadex (20mg)
1 3 1
2 5 1
3 8 1
4 10 1
5 10 1
6 8 1
7 5 1
8 3 1

I was generally hoping to find out which would be better for a beginner cycle?

Kind Regards



Sandy

are u male or female? no offense.

strength is in my genes, size isnt.........thank god for AAS!

mm if a first cycle mate why get so cpmlicated , a good test cycle at 500mg with a dbol front load will give good gains works for mostand deffo did for me my personal fav issust but cip good as well.

stats 15/11/06
chest 54 inch, bicep 17 1/4, waiste 34
wgt 206lbs hgt 5,11
BP 145K
SQUAT 230K
DEAD 195K
now considerably smaller !!!boohooo

may the jiuce be with you

regardless of which whoever told u to stick 1000mg of Test in u for ur first time is a bit of a nob!
it enoys me when people recomend total beginners strong steroids and at strong dosages.
1000mg of Test will give ur body one hell of a jolt IMO. and 500mg/week is the norm, but for intermidiate/experienced only!
IMO always start with low dosages and with mild steroids. see how u react to steroids b4 u shove 1000mg of it in u! lol
if a beginer is to take 500mg/week of test for 12 weeks, what sort of dosages is he gona have to be taking come his 3rd, 4th, 5th cycle in order to get any decents gains out of it!!??
if ur gona do the D'BOL then i'd suggest u run it for 6 weeks and tapering it would be fine like u have mentioned. u could also run 20mg of Nolv all the way through to ward off Gyno. (u wont know if u suffer from it untill u do it tho) id also recomend some Proviron at 50mg ed with it to help libido as u will suffer like most do on d'bol.

strength is in my genes, size isnt.........thank god for AAS!

that wasnt aimed at u by the way Blackdragon! lol. i was still typing when u posted. :)

strength is in my genes, size isnt.........thank god for AAS!

standard 1st cycle imo:

weeks
1-(8-10) 500mg test ew (sust, enth, cyp)

you could run 25mg-30mg dbol for 1st 4 weeks if you wanted. i think the dbol would be better than the 1000mg frontload since its your 1st time.

that 2nd cycle youve got (oral cycle) tapering is pointless and imo orals are best to kickstart an inj cycle

SIZE = FOOD

* steroids are an addition to a good diet and training routine not a miracle drug!

age: 24
height: 6ft2
start weight ..... feb 2004: 136ib
current weight 21/mar/08: 212ib
current stats: bulking

Hey guys i have finally got the cycle,

test e, dbol, nolva,

Now i feel that my workout load isnt enough, would any one have a workout which have worked to the best outcome? (A detailed workout would be much appreciated)

In reply to the previous questions i am male 200lbs.


Cheers

Sandy

ORIGINAL: Kazzzt

Hey guys i have finally got the cycle,

test e, dbol, nolva,

Now i feel that my workout load isnt enough, would any one have a workout which have worked to the best outcome? (A detailed workout would be much appreciated)

In reply to the previous questions i am male 200lbs.


Cheers

Sandy

this whole thread sounds pretty dodgy.

you first talk about tapering, which went out about 15 years ago, now you want someone to post a routine for you to try?!

i admit i started aas use too early, but i knew full well what routine worked for me as well as what my diet should be like to compliment the routine and aas.

these kind of posts are worrying. i understand people not being ready in terms of natural potential, but its odd when people are not even ready with their training routines.

ORIGINAL: Big D

this whole thread sounds pretty dodgy.

you first talk about tapering, which went out about 15 years ago, now you want someone to post a routine for you to try?!

i admit i started aas use too early, but i knew full well what routine worked for me as well as what my diet should be like to compliment the routine and aas.

these kind of posts are worrying. i understand people not being ready in terms of natural potential, but its odd when people are not even ready with their training routines.


init m8.
by now he should be well into his cycle! what a waste of gear!

strength is in my genes, size isnt.........thank god for AAS!

Apologies if you guys feel offended,

Its more a case, of trying to find a more intense routine, im not asking anyone to post a routine, just a rough guideline,

I dont want to get this wrong, im sure you can understand that much....?

Before i inject any alien substanc into my body i want to be sure i know all i can and are completely ready for when it hits,


Thanks


Sandy

how is ur cycle going then m8?

strength is in my genes, size isnt.........thank god for AAS!

ORIGINAL: goodcat

how is ur cycle going then m8?

Not bad mate thanks for asking,

My routine feels to be working me alot better now, atm the routine is -

Monday - Chest 15 - 10 - 10 - 10 - 8 (15 warm up, 10 lift to failure, 8 cool down)

Incline Dumbbell Press, Flat Dumbbell Press, Incline Flye, Straight-Arm Dumbbell Pullover.

Tuesday - Arms 15 - 10 - 10 - 10 - 8 (15 warm up, 10 lift to failure, 8 cool down)

Barbell Curls, Dumbbell Curls, Dumbbell Preacher Curls, Close-Grip Push Downs, Close-Grip Bench Press, Lying Tricep Dumbbell Extensions, Dumbbell Wrist Curls, Reverse Barbell Preacher Curls.

Wednesday Shoulders- 15 - 10 - 10 - 10 - 8 (15 warm up, 10 lift to failure, 8 cool down)

Side Lateral Raise, Reverse Flyes, Seated Barbell Military Press, Barbell Shrug, Upright Rows, Barbell Snatch.

Thursday - Back 15 - 10 - 10 - 10 - 8
(15 warm up, 10 lift to failure, 8 cool down)

Bent Over Barbell Row, Bent Arm Dumbbell Pullover, Stiff Arm Pulldown, Dead Lift, One-Arm Dumbbell Row, Wide Arm Pulldown.

Friday - Legs 15 - 10 - 10 - 10 - 8 (15 warm up, 10 lift to failure, 8 cool down)

Leg Extensions, Squats, Standing One-Legged Curls, Standing Calf Raises, Calf Burn Out,

I am also working lagging muscles on fridays.

I am also putting in a negative of 4 with each workout.


If you have any opinions on my workout for mass building please let me know.


Thanks


Sandy

try frankies 5x5.
higher weights with lower reps should see ur strength shoot up after a few weeks.
and try and incorperate big compound movements as much as poss in ur workouts. i.e dead/bench/squat. best for mass building.
basically heavy weights lower reps and big compound movements which work most of the muscles at once.
but ideally u should re post this question in the training section on tthis site. plent of good info in there m8.

strength is in my genes, size isnt.........thank god for AAS!

Thanks Goodcat, i posted pics of the gear i am using on the legit / fake gear thread, many thanks for your help, i have taken pics and will be listing a before and after pics etc.

ORIGINAL: goodcat

regardless of which whoever told u to stick 1000mg of Test in u for ur first time is a bit of a nob!
it enoys me when people recomend total beginners strong steroids and at strong dosages.
1000mg of Test will give ur body one hell of a jolt IMO. and 500mg/week is the norm, but for intermidiate/experienced only!
IMO always start with low dosages and with mild steroids. see how u react to steroids b4 u shove 1000mg of it in u! lol
if a beginer is to take 500mg/week of test for 12 weeks, what sort of dosages is he gona have to be taking come his 3rd, 4th, 5th cycle in order to get any decents gains out of it!!??
if ur gona do the D'BOL then i'd suggest u run it for 6 weeks and tapering it would be fine like u have mentioned. u could also run 20mg of Nolv all the way through to ward off Gyno. (u wont know if u suffer from it untill u do it tho) id also recomend some Proviron at 50mg ed with it to help libido as u will suffer like most do on d'bol.

This is absolute bollox.

When I get tired and want to stop,
I wonder what my next opponent is doing,
I wonder if he is still working out,
I visualise him,
When I see him still working,
I start pushing myself,
When I see him quit,
I start pushing myself harder.

thanks 4 ur kind words Veni.
however i have recently come to change my opinion on this Veni. i started a thread recently discussing this topic and my views have now changed.
this is a month old thread.

strength is in my genes, size isnt.........thank god for AAS!

Fair enough. Just thought I would point it out.

When I get tired and want to stop,
I wonder what my next opponent is doing,
I wonder if he is still working out,
I visualise him,
When I see him still working,
I start pushing myself,
When I see him quit,
I start pushing myself harder.

thats cool m8.
it was just my view for a while that starting out with big dosages will leave u having to take even bigger dosages for future cycles to still get good gains.
however, i now beleive that 500mg of test is NOT classed as a big dose and that "future cycles" i mentioned were really YEARS down the line (not as soon as i thought) as i found out from users who had been using for many years.

strength is in my genes, size isnt.........thank god for AAS!