Hi again fellas,

i have introduced cardio into my training a few weeks ago but am not really making thee kind of progress i was anticipating. I do weights 3 times a week and cardio (slow and steady) around 3-4 times a week.. my diet is quite good and clean eating. i was thinking about taking maximuscle thermabol to increase my weight loss (as my goal is to shed around 1.5 stones of body fat, while maintaining muscle mass). however i was told to use an ECA stack instead. i understand the doses to take: Ephedrine 20-30mgs, Caffeine 200mg (equivalent to approx 2.5 cups of coffee), Aspirin 75mg

Does anyone know where i can buy these products quite cheap? for the caffiene, i'd probably just use pro-plus and for aspirin, i'd probably just go to my loal supermarket, but how about the epherdrine? can anyone recommend a good place to buy it from?

Is an ECA stack any better than using say 'hydroxycut' or 'xenedrine'??

ORIGINAL: SpitzV

Hi again fellas,

i have introduced cardio into my training a few weeks ago but am not really making thee kind of progress i was anticipating. I do weights 3 times a week and cardio (slow and steady) around 3-4 times a week.. my diet is quite good and clean eating. i was thinking about taking maximuscle thermabol to increase my weight loss (as my goal is to shed around 1.5 stones of body fat, while maintaining muscle mass). however i was told to use an ECA stack instead. i understand the doses to take: Ephedrine 20-30mgs, Caffeine 200mg (equivalent to approx 2.5 cups of coffee), Aspirin 75mg

Does anyone know where i can buy these products quite cheap? for the caffiene, i'd probably just use pro-plus and for aspirin, i'd probably just go to my loal supermarket, but how about the epherdrine? can anyone recommend a good place to buy it from?

Is an ECA stack any better than using say 'hydroxycut' or 'xenedrine'??

Yeah ECA is one of the best if not the best stack for fat loss. No need for maximuscle thermobol at all. Aim for around 2lbs weight loss a week any more than this is likely to be muscle. ECA stack is highly rated and so it should be i would have to asssume it more affective than hydroxycut and xenedrine.

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ORIGINAL: SpitzV
i have introduced cardio into my training a few weeks ago but am not really making thee kind of progress i was anticipating.

What kind of progress were you anticipating? ........ECA is a decent aid, but it is far from a miracle worker.

I would say that if your progress is not so good then firstly look at your diet and training plan as a whole, without all that in check ECA will be of little help.


As for where to get it..... here are a couple of options:

www.musclefinesse.com/other-brands-eph-25.aspx

http://centurysupplements.com/catalog/

PB's (88kg-natural)
Squat - 135kg
Bench - 125kg x 2
Deadlift - 230kg

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ECA should supress your appetite and give you a little bit of a buzz, nothing more nothing less.

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I use Reflex Sida Cordifolia... Sida for natural eph, white willow (asparin) and guarana (caffeine).

I find works better for Me, as I'm not fond of chemical ephedra.

They are also good for a night out

DD

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Thanks for the advice guys..

please feel free to comment on diet and training shown below, or any tweaks / changes i could be making..

DIET BREAKDOWN

9:00 - 2 weetabix with semi skimmed milk, table spoon of flax seed oil, 1 scoop of whey in water

11:30 - 100g chicken breast, 2 oat cakes, fruit (either apple or banana)

14:00 - 150g chicken breast, brown rice or brown pasta, large salad helping (tomatoes, cucumber carrots etc) & fish oil caps

17:00 - 100g chicken breast, 2 oat cakes and an apple

18:30 - 1 scoop of whey in water, banana & fish oil caps

19:30 - Intense training for an hour

20:30 2 scoops of whey in water

21:00 - TVP or Qourn with a large helping of salad

23:30 - 100g of cottage cheese

SAT and SUN - i relax on the diet a little and indulge in KFC or a curry, but i always make sure it's high protein.

TRAINING BREAKDOWN

MON - Weights / Type A - Squats 3 x 6
- Dead lift 2 x 6
- Bench Press 3 x 6
- Bicep Curls 3 x 6

TUES - Cardio - 40 mins cycling either first thing in the morning (unfuelled) or in the evening 19:30 after work..(depends if i can drag myself out of bed in the morning!!)

WED - Weights / Type B - Squats 3 x 6
- Bent over Row 3 x 6
- Standing military Press 3 x 6
- Dips 3 x 6

THURS - Cardio - 40 mins cycling either first thing in the morning (unfuelled) or in the evening 19:30 after work..(depends if i can drag myself out of bed in the morning!!)

FRI - Weights / Type A - Squats 3 x 6
- Dead lift 2 x 6
- Bench Press 3 x 6
- Bicep Curls 3 x 6

SAT or SUN - I might do some cardio depending on how i feel...

i'm currently 24 years old, 6ft and weight 13 stone exactly.. not sure on body fat level.. looking to get down to 11.5, with no muscle loss...

any advice / ideas would be great.. thanks in advance

thanks for the post dave.. does the herbal alternative work just as well as the chemical stuff?
where do you get yours from??

hey dave,

is the herbal alternative any better than the chemical compounds?
and where do you get yours from?

ORIGINAL: SpitzV
does the herbal alternative work just as well as the chemical stuff?

I would say no.

PB's (88kg-natural)
Squat - 135kg
Bench - 125kg x 2
Deadlift - 230kg

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ORIGINAL: SpitzV
does the herbal alternative work just as well as the chemical stuff?

I would say no.

Yeah i agree with noname. SpitzV check your mail.

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ORIGINAL: SpitzV

Hi again fellas,

i have introduced cardio into my training a few weeks ago but am not really making thee kind of progress i was anticipating. I do weights 3 times a week and cardio (slow and steady) around 3-4 times a week.. my diet is quite good and clean eating. i was thinking about taking maximuscle thermabol to increase my weight loss (as my goal is to shed around 1.5 stones of body fat, while maintaining muscle mass). however i was told to use an ECA stack instead. i understand the doses to take: Ephedrine 20-30mgs, Caffeine 200mg (equivalent to approx 2.5 cups of coffee), Aspirin 75mg

Does anyone know where i can buy these products quite cheap? for the caffiene, i'd probably just use pro-plus and for aspirin, i'd probably just go to my loal supermarket, but how about the epherdrine? can anyone recommend a good place to buy it from?

Is an ECA stack any better than using say 'hydroxycut' or 'xenedrine'??

Im currently using the ECA stack, i use 300mg dispersible asprin with mine thats what i was advised. Ive only just started it monday but used it before and found it was a good stack helped with the fat loss, increases heat you will notice yourself sweat alot more at the gym.

I much prefer eph HCL to mahuang, although I still found the mahuang effective (just less effective)

For some reason there seems to be a shortage of eph HCL ATM, It hasn't effected me at all, but has effected many I know

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I much prefer eph HCL to mahuang, although I still found the mahuang effective (just less effective)

For some reason there seems to be a shortage of eph HCL ATM, It hasn't effected me at all, but has effected many I know

this is true.

maybe it's more demand from China? first it was the whey...now it's the eph!

When will they stop! more ripped, bulked up Chinese guys in the world soon lol

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Well, they'll still be short....

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