im pissed off because id like to employ pullovers in to my routine as i hear about all its benefits. my shoulders are inujury free but when i do pullovers (with perfect form) i get a locking sensation in my rear shoulder socket and the pain forces me to stop. is there anything i can do about it and does anybody else have the same problem? thanks in advance

i find to do these i have to bend arms slightly and point elbows out otherwise i get what you describe.

but im not sure if these are related to my recent shoulder injury

Why would you like to do them?

What have you heard they do that is so beneficial?

They wouldn't even feature on my top 100 most useful exercise list.

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well for starters im sure youve heard the statement or myth that it opens out your ribcage, therefore changing your posture by pushing your chest out. all the bodybuilders i know do this exercise and contrary to your beliefs they see it as an essential exercise. plus i want to change up my routine so i want to introduce new exercses in it. safe james for the post ill try it the way you explained

For what its worth I think the rib thing is a load of bollocks.

That aside I still can't think of a good reason to include them. There are numerous better chest/back exercises.

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Why would you like to do them?

What have you heard they do that is so beneficial?

They wouldn't even feature on my top 100 most useful exercise list.

i agree with your style of ard core training mate

but i have also been told by my good buddy that he always did them and thats partly responsile for expanded ribcage and awesome seratus.

there is a chance hes talking pish of course

i agree with your style of ard core training mate

LOL, I like to think of my training as sensible rather than hard core. I hate that ****ing term.

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There is a very remote chance that pish is being spoken.

I really struggle to see the benefits of doing pullovers.....

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i agree with your style of ard core training mate

LOL, I like to think of my training as sensible rather than hard core. I hate that ****ing term.

you know what i ment - proper training no excuses type thing

thats exactly the point, im sceptical about the whole opening the ribcage thing so thats why i wanted to try it for myself

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thats exactly the point, im sceptical about the whole opening the ribcage thing so thats why i wanted to try it for myself

go for it and report back.

the only thing i can say is my mate who advocates them is pretty superhuman and awesome - but im still sceptical

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thats exactly the point, im sceptical about the whole opening the ribcage thing so thats why i wanted to try it for myself

How are you going to quantify if your ribcage has expanded?

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thats exactly the point, im sceptical about the whole opening the ribcage thing so thats why i wanted to try it for myself

How are you going to quantify if your ribcage has expanded?

good point,

to be honest i think mainly between the ages 18-23 is where things like this will naturaly grow and get how its going to be for life really. try holding you breath with a lung full

the whole point is not to notice difference internally e.g holding your breath for longer or what not, but to notice difference externally, in your posture (chest out tummy in) and i said b4, the only way to find out is to experiment for myself (thats if james's method works 4 me)

I do pullovers with weight plates placed on my forearms.
When doing pullovers like this lay on a bench, your forearms are in the same position as a skullcrusher. But you don't straighten the forearm and you let the plate move behind the head and down. this more closely simulates a pullover machine.

I don't like the stress a dumbell with a straigtened arm places on the shoulder and triceps. So doing a pullover with plates is a ideal.

As for expanding the ribcage, I really don't think so. Though this idea could be attributed to the stimulation to the outer pec that you can get from pullovers.

Personally I do them for serratus deveolpment and isolating the upper lat.

Btw, I invented this alternative take on the pullover. And it is called the I pullover (I stands for Indie/Isolation pullover)

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im pissed off because id like to employ pullovers in to my routine as i hear about all its benefits. my shoulders are inujury free but when i do pullovers (with perfect form) i get a locking sensation in my rear shoulder socket and the pain forces me to stop. is there anything i can do about it and does anybody else have the same problem? thanks in advance

If i was getting any shoulder pain from this sort of isolation shoulder movement i'd knock it on the head straight away...

The benifits youd get from this exercise are far outweighed by the probability of shoulder injury

Never forget that you are unique, just like everyone else

I read endless reviews of pullovers from 60's-70's articles with arnold, zane, mentzer etc.... they loved them.

tried them myself and was not won over at all...

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sack them off mate


FWIW I think the rib cage argument is a crock, too.

curlz for big bicepts