what do people prefer?

ive used cissus drol and rate it very highly but on a few other forums ive noticed alot of people prefering 6-oxo

how do they compare?

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I am interested to see peples views on this.

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I am interested to see peples views on this.

Ditto. I have the mother-of-all-PCT's coming up at some point so would be handy to hear comparisons.

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What you got planned FGB .....

Just on the PCT bit at the mo.. well first day today and already thinking about the next one down the road.

For the PCT was think about adding the following below, only beacuse I bought them a while back and they have been sitting quite in the corner saying (when are you going to use me !!). I am sure when I asked last time and looking into them (afterwards DOH....) they are very silimlar to 6-OXO. I reckon they are a bit overpriced but at the time did not know

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Anyawy was going to try/include these in the PCT and see what happens mate. Any thoughts

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I am interested to see peples views on this.

Ditto. I have the mother-of-all-PCT's coming up at some point so would be handy to hear comparisons.

Can't offer an opinion on what you've linked to mate as TBH I'm not particularly clued up on OTC test boosters & AI's, which is why I'm looking for others input on their experiences also.

I can say what I've got ideas about doing though. Will probably drop the test & run HCG & low dose Nolva & Clomid for a while to get blood levels up & avoid frontloading before I drop the HCG, & then switch over to Raloxifene (& possibly low dose Clomid) for an extended PCT along with some OTC stuff.....which is what I'm stuck on lol. Nothing is set in stone yet.

Just to add though, my PCT protocol will be a lot different to 99% of guys in this part of the forum because I've been on for for several months, using very suppressive AAS.

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I would opt for androstenetrione (6-oxo) over c-drol for PCT support.

 
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I would opt for androstenetrione (6-oxo) over c-drol for PCT support.

Any particular reasons? Like I say, I realy am in the dark ages when it comes to most of the OTC test boosters / AI's.

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I would opt for androstenetrione (6-oxo) over c-drol for PCT support.

Any particular reasons? Like I say, I realy am in the dark ages when it comes to most of the OTC test boosters / AI's.

more of personal choice, than any evidence backed claims.

without getting technical 6-bromo has a number of isomers some of which are androgenic and im not 100% certain that c-drol is not androgenic.

6-oxo has a lot of feedback on it and theres quite a lot of people who have used this as a sole pct product.

As i say it would be more of a personal preference for me than anything also 6-oxo can be brought in bulk .

 
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having used both i would choose a 6-bromo product such as cissus-drol or hyperdrol x2 every time. for me 6 oxo makes no percievable difference to recovery wheras hyperdrol x2 did and i know cissus-drol will (only used it off cycle, not in pct so far) as it has more 6 bromo than hyperdrol x2.

i would say for many 6 bromo products have replaced 6 oxo and clones during pct.

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without getting technical 6-bromo has a number of isomers some of which are androgenic and im not 100% certain that c-drol is not androgenic.

6-oxo could also be androgenic

6-oxo has a lot of feedback on it and theres quite a lot of people who have used this as a sole pct product.

That's because it was originally marketed as PCT (for the likes of M1T etc...), whereas c-drol never was/is. 6-oxo has also been around longer.....

Theoretically, 6-oxo is supressive (to some extent) in dosages above 200mg - as it converts to 6-oxotestosterone. here's an interesting link - pay attention to the 4th post;

http://www.t-nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do;jsessionid=27424755A6787FC895120284180D2D3F.hydra?id=557245&pageNo=0#bottom

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having used both i would choose a 6-bromo product such as cissus-drol or hyperdrol x2 every time. for me 6 oxo makes no percievable difference to recovery wheras hyperdrol x2 did and i know cissus-drol will (only used it off cycle, not in pct so far) as it has more 6 bromo than hyperdrol x2.

i would say for many 6 bromo products have replaced 6 oxo and clones during pct.

When I start PCT, I'm likely to have been on for a solid year-ish straight. Any suggestions on doses & durations for cissus-drol alongside a basic (but extended) SERM based PCT?

Figure you'd be the best person to ask as you've been in my shoes (or there abouts).

From my post above:

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Will probably drop the test & run HCG & low dose Nolva & Clomid for a while to get blood levels up & avoid frontloading before I drop the HCG, & then switch over to Raloxifene (& possibly low dose Clomid) for an extended PCT along with some OTC stuff.....which is what I'm stuck on

Like I say, OTC test boosters etc, I'm really not upto speed on them so a bit of guidence would be most appreciated.

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Out of interest, how long do you intend to run a SERM in your PCT?

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Haven't decided yet TBH. I know Drab's is/was doing an extended PCT a while back at least so I keep meanign to drop him a mail for a bit of advice but have a million & one things on my plate ATM & keep forgetting Not an urgent priority ATM as I'm just cruising on a HRT dose ATM & will likely carry this on for a while longer for various reasons not particulary related to BB'ing which don't make PCT particulary practical right now

It will be Pharma Ralox for much of the duration BTW.

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having used both i would choose a 6-bromo product such as cissus-drol or hyperdrol x2 every time. for me 6 oxo makes no percievable difference to recovery wheras hyperdrol x2 did and i know cissus-drol will (only used it off cycle, not in pct so far) as it has more 6 bromo than hyperdrol x2.

i would say for many 6 bromo products have replaced 6 oxo and clones during pct.
When I start PCT, I'm likely to have been on for a solid year-ish straight. Any suggestions on doses & durations for cissus-drol alongside a basic (but extended) SERM based PCT?

Figure you'd be the best person to ask as you've been in my shoes (or there abouts).

i have done a few 6 month plus cycles so deffinantly know where you are coming from.

i would start using hcg now if you are not already, lots of ways to use it i prefer doses of 1500iu e3d for 3 shots to prime to before pct and i leave a gap of 1 week between lst hcg shot and start of pct. i would then run clomid and nolva for at least 6 weeks and then reassess.

in the past at this stage i have then had to do another course of hcg and then run pct again but hopefully you wont need to.



as for otc stuff i would run cissus-drol at the standard dose for at least 3 months, i would also add into that a standard dose of x-lean to help you hold muscle through the pct period.

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Have been regulary on low dose HCG throughout the cycle (takign a break every now & then) so that's not a worry at least. Came across that an thread of yours about having to hit the HCG hard to rectify major atrophy & it not really doing much first time around & you having to do another load of HCG & a PCT nearly 2 years ago actually, so learnt that lesson from your experience.

Shall look into x-lean also. Normally wouldn't bother on a regular 3 month or so cycle, but figure I'm going to need every last little added extra on this one!

Input greatly appreciated, cheers mate.

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