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Lats = No Growth - 26 June 2008 22:02
Looking for a little advice on the Lats.
I train my back every week my routine is a little like:

Wide Grip Pulldowns 12, 10, 8, 15
T-Bar Row 12, 10 ,8, 15
Seated Row 12, 10, 8 15
Single Arm Rows 10 (15), 8 (12), 6 (10) (Brackets show supersets)

I try to switch it up every time and use different exercises but I dont seem to be able to make it grow.
I get none of the next day ache or anything.
I train to failure on every set and still nothing, everything else is growing ahead, making me look very weird.
Any advice for me?
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RE: Lats = No Growth - 26 June 2008 22:33
if you want doms then try dropping rest time to 60 seconds.... the weight may need to drop for this... or use a different rep range like 4-6

for growth do deads
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RE: Lats = No Growth - 26 June 2008 23:27
I LOVE Bent over BB rows, think they are awesome for width.

From my experience, the weight doesnt matter too much, just concentrate on squeezing my shoulder blades together and jobs a good un. Plenty of sets too.

And deadlifts too, they are awesome for back.
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RE: Lats = No Growth - 26 June 2008 23:37
Doing that routine once a week no wonder you're not getting any progress.
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RE: Lats = No Growth - 27 June 2008 01:13
Pull ups (3 sets to failiure)
BO BB Rows (12/10/8)
Deads (10/8/6/6)
BB Shrugs (12/10/8)

Vary reps.
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RE: Lats = No Growth - 27 June 2008 09:13

Doing that routine once a week no wonder you're not getting any progress.


Can you elaborate a little on why he isnt seeeing any progress on that routine?
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RE: Lats = No Growth - 27 June 2008 09:19
doms dont mean anything, but I found myself reducing rest times helps me get stronger
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RE: Lats = No Growth - 27 June 2008 09:36


ORIGINAL: shefjam

doms dont mean anything, but I found myself reducing rest times helps me get stronger


Longer rest between sets equalls more strength on subsequent sets, equalls more strength accumilation overall.
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RE: Lats = No Growth - 27 June 2008 09:49
what are your stats overall
chest
arms
shoulder width

odd are you still need to fill out more before the lats show noticable size change.
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RE: Lats = No Growth - 27 June 2008 10:14
its higher volume than most people use especially when going to failure.
I would say lower intensity or volume or a bit of both. See how that goes.

if its specifically lat not growing over the whole of the back. Then reduce number of rows and replace with pull up motion.
or change a set of rows for pull overs.

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RE: Lats = No Growth - 27 June 2008 12:38
I see that lower reps higher rest might be the answer.
I imagine that I would need to increase the weight to my failure weight for that rep range?
It is the higher lats that are lagging, my lower back is pretty strong.
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RE: Lats = No Growth - 27 June 2008 14:00


ORIGINAL: CutnRip

Doing that routine once a week no wonder you're not getting any progress.



What a wonderfully helpful post

Deadlifts would be my advice. Either 3 x 8 reps or 4 x 6 reps. I'd follow that up with wide grip chins & progress on to weighted wide grip chins as you improve. Try that once or twice a week with at least a few days between, ensure your technique and range of motion is perfect then with good diet your back should grow nicely.
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RE: Lats = No Growth - 27 June 2008 16:08
Not sure why people are recommending deads when its his lats hes having a problem with.
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RE: Lats = No Growth - 27 June 2008 16:40


ORIGINAL: TREBOR

Not sure why people are recommending deads when its his lats hes having a problem with.


They build the spinal erectors, add thickness to the back.

Doubt he has this in check with tiny lats.
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RE: Lats = No Growth - 27 June 2008 16:53
rows, rows, rows
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RE: Lats = No Growth - 27 June 2008 18:38


ORIGINAL: Jake



ORIGINAL: TREBOR

Not sure why people are recommending deads when its his lats hes having a problem with.


They build the spinal erectors, add thickness to the back.

Doubt he has this in check with tiny lats.



but deadlifts are not are a good lat builder.
I am with trebor. for general back growth deadlifts are a good exercise.
But lat specific growth there are better options
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RE: Lats = No Growth - 27 June 2008 22:20
YES, but we're talking back training are we not? BAck. As in the back. One's back. He's building a foundation, deadlifts are a fundamental movement in his back routine.
Pull ups for lats. BB rows for lats. DL for thickness and erectors/traps.
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RE: Lats = No Growth - 27 June 2008 22:33


ORIGINAL: Jake

YES, but we're talking back training are we not? .


The thread says "Lats = No Growth"

If he said Back= No Growth then yes deads would be a good suggestion.
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RE: Lats = No Growth - 28 June 2008 09:39


ORIGINAL: big_sapper


Doing that routine once a week no wonder you're not getting any progress.


Can you elaborate a little on why he isnt seeeing any progress on that routine?



Think about it for a second..... first of where are the chin ups and deadlifts the two best exercices to develop your back, and training your back once a week is not enough, it must be obvious becuase he said his lats Won't grow... And the routine just is not enough, do more!! where is the intensity in that workout i just cant see it, the adivce everyone has give is good so take it up man and just do more and your lats will grow.
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RE: Lats = No Growth - 28 June 2008 09:44


ORIGINAL: TREBOR



ORIGINAL: Jake

YES, but we're talking back training are we not? .


The thread says "Lats = No Growth"

If he said Back= No Growth then yes deads would be a good suggestion.


Look at the rest of the quoted post. You're being pedantic.

Just because he said lat growth, let's give him a routine that'll completely leave out deads on 'lat day'.

I take you can't/won't deadlift then Trebor?
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