Hi guys i was looking into bulking up a bit and was wanting to here opinions on what you think is best between the too as far as weight gains but especially strength and something i could stack with either one. I already have my pct sorted out as a buddy of mine told me i should go with nolva and he hooked me up...I am quite experienced in the sport and do compete so i pretty much live in the gym...well thanx for the help in advance

Some people prefer SD, some people prefer Phera.

Out of the two, I think that SD would give better strength gains. Mass gains between a 3 week cycle of SD and a 4 week cycle of PP would be similar really.

SD - 20/30/30

Phera - 30/30/30/30

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thank you again and out of curiosity what kind of strength gains do you experience with SD i kno it varies but you personally, and what kind of sides thanx.

i really fancy using PP.

am i correct in thinking PP would typically result in less water gains than PP? and also typically less harsh sides.

also where is PP availble from?

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am i correct in thinking PP would typically result in less water gains than PP? and also typically less harsh sides.

I have a sneaking suspicion that perhaps water retention & other sides may well be very similar between the "two" compounds you're listed mate, if not identical

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am i correct in thinking PP would typically result in less water gains than PP? and also typically less harsh sides.

I have a sneaking suspicion that perhaps water retention & other sides may well be very similar between the "two" compounds you're listed mate, if not identical

sh!tballs lol sorry i meant

Pherplex - less sides, water etc. than - superdrol ?

what a retard.

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um, from personaly experience i would say the opposite... more water retention with PP

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Just make sure your diet is clean, plenty of water throughout the day to help minmise the rentention or you could always take some prov, thats what i plan to do with my sd/pp cycle

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Just make sure your diet is clean, plenty of water throughout the day to help minmise the rentention or you could always take some prov, thats what i plan to do with my sd/pp cycle

No water retention on either for me.

I'd suggest SD will give the better strength boost, and is ideal for a short cycle (3 weeks)

PP will give good a good strength boost also, and a good cycle would be anything between 4-6 weeks so giving you longer to build lean mass.

How much of a boost is too loose a question, though in many cases I'd suggest anything between 10-20% would be reasonable with either of these for many trainers.

Both good products IME.

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cheers celt, i prefer the idea of PP due to the longer cycle length, for some reaon the idea of short 3 week cycles doesn't sit right with me.. but then i'm probably just being stupid. think i just like the idea of steady gains, seems healthier () than 3 week with a similar gain.

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No worries mate, just noticed one of your other questions, ihawk has p-plex for sale by Competitive Edge Labs. It's what I've used and they're highly regarded, one pot would last 6 weeks at 30mg ed.

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yep i noticed that after, just didnt think i had seen it on his site. good to know that its a good product. good price if you can get a cycle out of one pot really .

think thats my next cycle sorted, probably toward christmas.

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