Is it ok to get all of your protein from a good quality whey/casein mix? Ive been told on here in the past to use protein supplements for 50% of your diet at most. The other 50% needs to come from 'real' food.

Just wondering why?

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1 - To eradicate excess body-fat and assist others in doing so.
2 - To drastically improve my strength to weight ratio.

food is better because:

- it adds variety in terms of taste and in terms of nutrients (vits/minerals)

- it will be more filling

- it will be cheaper

- its sustainable both mentally and logistically

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i only use whey pwo

get about 200g protein from solid food per day, then 40g whey on weight training days

food is better because:

- it adds variety in terms of taste and in terms of nutrients (vits/minerals)

- it will be more filling

- it will be cheaper

- its sustainable both mentally and logistically

Good points but whey is so much easier to eat. No cooking, pleasent taste and nutrients can come from other food sources such as carbs and fats. Sustainable?? Dont get you?

i only use whey pwo

get about 200g protein from solid food per day, then 40g whey on weight training days

Thanks for sharing m8, but that doesn't answer my Q. I eat about 50% real food and the rest whey/casien mix. Whey/casien mix is just so much easier.

Mission Objectives 2008/9:-

1 - To eradicate excess body-fat and assist others in doing so.
2 - To drastically improve my strength to weight ratio.

using a wide range of solid protein sources will give you the full range of aminos

using so much whey is quite limiting in that sence

Just curious. If 50% of protein intake was from whey or casein supplementation, with the rest of the diet being in check with

regards veg/efa's etc, and if 'variety' wasn't an issue for the person...would gains be significantly different to the gains of

someone who's protein intake was 100% whole food sources?

I particularly don't find food that cheap these days, especially meat compared with bulk discounts on protein supps, but I do agree that they are more filling and contain a range of vits/mins et al that you won't get from a shake. In saying that, I'll confess that I am a heavy user of protein blends

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Thats what I was Saying tho Gothic. Admittedly, shakes arent filling. Even with hundreds of calories of flax or olive oil but sometimes this is a good thing IE before training or on the move or where I work on an evening without a real break.

And you vit's min's can be taken from other sources. Fruit and veg for one.


So Im left wondering what exactly the prob is of getting most of you protein if not all from good quality shakes

Mission Objectives 2008/9:-

1 - To eradicate excess body-fat and assist others in doing so.
2 - To drastically improve my strength to weight ratio.

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using a wide range of solid protein sources will give you the full range of aminos

using so much whey is quite limiting in that sence

does whey not contain all of the essential aa's

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Thats what I was Saying tho Gothic. Admittedly, shakes arent filling. Even with hundreds of calories of flax or olive oil but sometimes this is a good thing IE before training or on the move or where I work on an evening without a real break.

And you vit's min's can be taken from other sources. Fruit and veg for one.


So Im left wondering what exactly the prob is of getting most of you protein if not all from good quality shakes

I'm not really sure if there's a prob in getting all your protein from supplemental sources but even fruit and veg wouldn't cover your bases for every kind of micros and trace goodies and stuff. But for the last few weeks I've been using nothing but shakes (whey isolate/Egg white/Micellasr Casein blend) and saw nothing other than fat loss. The way I see it, if I didn't do this at all I would be your average typical male who takes in a load of junk and not hitting any kind of rda's. By doing it my way, although not optimal by any means is something I can attain and maintain, fits in nicely with my lifestyle and commitments and something I've done for a very long time with no obvious adverse reactions. There's also no way that any protein whole food from a supermarket can beat 5lbs whey for 20 quid or 10 lbs whey for 25 quid and this is the crux of it all, shakes are cheaper, more convenient, chuck in some flavour and they are nicer and you can add things to shakes to pad out it's nutritional profile i.e. blend in some frozen bluberries and you have a protein shake with a healthy dose of a super food loaded with micros and antioxidants and this would take you about a minute! Not even my george foreman can beat that

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ORIGINAL: loz_86

using a wide range of solid protein sources will give you the full range of aminos

using so much whey is quite limiting in that sence

does whey not contain all of the essential aa's

Yep, whey does indeed. I think loz_86 was referring to the fact that different protein sources give you different concentrations of amino's i.e. cottage cheese is really high in glutamine while whey is really rich in bcaa etc.

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I'm not really sure if there's a prob in getting all your protein from supplemental sources but even fruit and veg wouldn't cover your bases for every kind of micros and trace goodies and stuff. But for the last few weeks I've been using nothing but shakes (whey isolate/Egg white/Micellasr Casein blend) and saw nothing other than fat loss. The way I see it, if I didn't do this at all I would be your average typical male who takes in a load of junk and not hitting any kind of rda's. By doing it my way, although not optimal by any means is something I can attain and maintain, fits in nicely with my lifestyle and commitments and something I've done for a very long time with no obvious adverse reactions. There's also no way that any protein whole food from a supermarket can beat 5lbs whey for 20 quid or 10 lbs whey for 25 quid and this is the crux of it all, shakes are cheaper, more convenient, chuck in some flavour and they are nicer and you can add things to shakes to pad out it's nutritional profile i.e. blend in some frozen bluberries and you have a protein shake with a healthy dose of a super food loaded with micros and antioxidants and this would take you about a minute! Not even my george foreman can beat that

agree with every word m8. So im not alone with this train of though.

So whats your whole diet like Gothic? Can you post it up or PM me. Just interested.

Mission Objectives 2008/9:-

1 - To eradicate excess body-fat and assist others in doing so.
2 - To drastically improve my strength to weight ratio.

ORIGINAL: Mickey123

I'm not really sure if there's a prob in getting all your protein from supplemental sources but even fruit and veg wouldn't cover your bases for every kind of micros and trace goodies and stuff. But for the last few weeks I've been using nothing but shakes (whey isolate/Egg white/Micellasr Casein blend) and saw nothing other than fat loss. The way I see it, if I didn't do this at all I would be your average typical male who takes in a load of junk and not hitting any kind of rda's. By doing it my way, although not optimal by any means is something I can attain and maintain, fits in nicely with my lifestyle and commitments and something I've done for a very long time with no obvious adverse reactions. There's also no way that any protein whole food from a supermarket can beat 5lbs whey for 20 quid or 10 lbs whey for 25 quid and this is the crux of it all, shakes are cheaper, more convenient, chuck in some flavour and they are nicer and you can add things to shakes to pad out it's nutritional profile i.e. blend in some frozen bluberries and you have a protein shake with a healthy dose of a super food loaded with micros and antioxidants and this would take you about a minute! Not even my george foreman can beat that

agree with every word m8. So im not alone with this train of though.

So whats your whole diet like Gothic? Can you post it up or PM me. Just interested.

No probs mate, I'll chuck up something after I come back from food shopping for mammy

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great - Ill look forward to it. What protein powder do you use to get that mix or is it custom made? I use 90+ at the mo. mix of whey and casein. Yours sounds better as a direct protein replacement what with the egg and Micellasr as well.

Mission Objectives 2008/9:-

1 - To eradicate excess body-fat and assist others in doing so.
2 - To drastically improve my strength to weight ratio.

I used to make my own using all in one whey and casein before they stopped selling casein for a while then swtiched to Reflex which worked out expensive although it was great, then switched to reflex peptide fusion then switched to mp total protein but I've looked at the cost of buying pre made formulas compared to buying spearate ingredients and I'm gonna switch to buying bulk from mp and making my own. Not as convenient but with rising costs in all walks of life I need to start making some savings as as much as I love training and really see the benfit of supplementing to achieve goals etc, it's a financial burden I don't really need to shoulder so I'm looking to save asap. Bulk whey/casein/egg white from mp among some other goodies is the way forward friend At least by doing it this way you can tailor your protein sources according to specific meals of the day/goals etc i.e. whey or whey/egg white first thing, whey/casein/egg white blend rest of the day, whey during/pwo, casein only prebed! Sorted!!

I'll send you my diet via pm - don't fancy getting my diet flamed for lacking this and that, it works for me so I'm gonna crack on regardless

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interesting re you buying your whey and mixing it yourself. Think Ill give that a go m8. My lass will have a fit with all the tubs that will be hanging around the kitchen. She already hates having one 5KG 90+ tub :/

If thats you on the photo I wouldn't worry about flaming but PM me by all means. By that picture whatever your doing works - great effort.

Look forward to your PM.

Mission Objectives 2008/9:-

1 - To eradicate excess body-fat and assist others in doing so.
2 - To drastically improve my strength to weight ratio.

Yeah, my folks had a problem with me having a few large tubs hanging about as there is no cupboard space left for me to store them away tidy but when I told them how much I'm saving to buy bulk in bags and reuse plastic tubs they were all for it as I'm generally crap with money

A lot of people rave about 90+, I've not personally used it but it's very well priced, looks good, if it's working for you why change (unless you just fancy a change) but I reckon for me, buying bulk separates is for me. I buy so many things from mp I might as well just buy everything from them and save on postage!!

That was me a few months ago in the pic, don't quite look like that at the moment as I've had a bad bout of Crohn's (IBD) the last few months which also interfered with my participation in the muscletalk shape up challenge earlier in the year but I'm fit and feeling great at the moment so I'm hoping it won't take me long to achieve/better that condition - here's hoping I can stay healthy to do that

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sorry to hear you've been unwell m8. Best of luck getting back in shape but even if you sat on your arse all day eating Korma you still couldn't be that fat in just a few months from that pic.

First time I have tried 90+. The chocolate flavour tastes more like hmmm, im not sure but its like no chocolate I have ever tasted. Unless the creator has ate some **** once and thought that was chocolate.

I like your idea better especially if I'm going to rely on powders for 75% of my protein intake. On that note is this the egg white you recommend? http://www.myprotein.co.uk/bulk-powders/protein-powders/egg-white-powder/ If not which one is it?

Also what casein powder? I can find two but there are links withing the descriptions to even more. Come on my protein - try and make things a bit clearer. I just want casein, not a sports science degree. Cant you just call casein casein?

http://www.myprotein.co.uk/bulk-powders/protein-powders/instant-milk-protein/
http://www.myprotein.co.uk/bulk-powders/protein-powders/calcium-caseinate/

Mission Objectives 2008/9:-

1 - To eradicate excess body-fat and assist others in doing so.
2 - To drastically improve my strength to weight ratio.

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Thanks for that. I haven't placed the order yet as I'm ploughing through old stocks of TP and WPI and Recovery XS but when I do it's going to the the MP Flavoured Bulk Powders MPC and WPI (too much lactose and carbs for my liking in the WPC). That's the Egg White I'm on about; Egg White powder isn't on the bulk buy list....yet so I'm gonna price match some bulk Egg white Powder from MP as well!

There are different forms of casein (MPC and Calcium Casein) but I believe MPC is the better one, don't really know why!!

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To the OP, use whey powder and real food...as long as your getting protein in your system throughout the day. You'll obviously come across the 'i get all my protein from real food' snobs !

I use a whey shake when i wake (rhymes lol). Post workout and before bed (thats 3 solid whey shakes everyday).


And I occasionally add a scoop of whey with some meals through the day.

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