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npfman

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weight gain/supplement advice please! - 05 July 2008 14:41
hi,

just wondered if anyone could give me any tips on what to take and when to take the appropriate supplements,

been working out for a few months now and have noticed an increase in strength rather than in size, i try to keep a good diet and have a teaspoonful of creatine just before i start weight training and then 1 scoop of met-rx supreme whey with water straight after the workout. im currently 6 ft 1 and 172lbs and would like to see in increase in size,

someone reccomended me CNP pro mass as a weight gainer but wasnt sure when to use it and whether or not to keep using the creatine and met-rx protein, also would it be easy enough to make my own weight gain mix out of various supplements and stuff like oats etc?

i dont really have a clue what to use and when to use it and would appreciate all the help i can,

cheers!
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RE: weight gain/supplement advice please! - 05 July 2008 14:59
If your looking to gain weight I think Pro Mass would be a good one, Ive been using it as an extra supplement recently but not every day as Itrying to lose a bit of fat at the monute. Have a look on the CNP site see what you think.
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RE: weight gain/supplement advice please! - 05 July 2008 15:06
hi mate, instead of spending money on a weight gainer, it could be an idea to get your calories from whole foods, then if your still not gainining weight, add a weight gainer of the sorts in.

supplements as the word implies - to supplement your intake from whole foods.

but if your diet is sorted though, i would recommend making your own by blending oats, milk whey, etc so you know what your getting. if not then IMO any of these of here:

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RE: weight gain/supplement advice please! - 05 July 2008 18:04


ORIGINAL: MMA4life

hi mate, instead of spending money on a weight gainer, it could be an idea to get your calories from whole foods, then if your still not gainining weight, add a weight gainer of the sorts in.

supplements as the word implies - to supplement your intake from whole foods.

but if your diet is sorted though, i would recommend making your own by blending oats, milk whey, etc so you know what your getting. if not then IMO any of these of here:

http://www.bodybuildingwarehouse.co.uk/mass-gain-powders-47-c.asp

I agree, a pint of milk, oats, scoop of whey, some olive oil and a couple of sachets of white choc options powder, and youve got a great weight gainer, loads of cals
 
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RE: weight gain/supplement advice please! - 05 July 2008 18:17
aha, i have just bought myself a blender, 3kg of tesco scottish oats, some bananas and angel delights, this should do for the time being? take it twice a day?
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RE: weight gain/supplement advice please! - 05 July 2008 18:21


ORIGINAL: npfman

hi,

just wondered if anyone could give me any tips on what to take and when to take the appropriate supplements,

been working out for a few months now and have noticed an increase in strength rather than in size, i try to keep a good diet and have a teaspoonful of creatine just before i start weight training and then 1 scoop of met-rx supreme whey with water straight after the workout. im currently 6 ft 1 and 172lbs and would like to see in increase in size,

someone reccomended me CNP pro mass as a weight gainer but wasnt sure when to use it and whether or not to keep using the creatine and met-rx protein, also would it be easy enough to make my own weight gain mix out of various supplements and stuff like oats etc?

i dont really have a clue what to use and when to use it and would appreciate all the help i can,

cheers!


MMA4life made a very good point - nutritional supplements should not form the basis for any diet – but they certainly can be helpful as a means of optimising it.

The fundamental point when trying to gain weight is that ff you're not eating enough you simply will not gain.

The first thing you need to do is roughly calculate how many calories you need to maintain you current body weight. Rule of thumb, most men need around 2500 a day.

A more complex (but more accurate) individual calculation is to calculate your base metabolic rate using the following formula:

Body weight in kilos x 24 x (1.5 if your moderately active / 1.75 if you're very active)

The above will then give you a pretty good (but not fool proof) idea of your base daily calorific requirements to maintain your present weight.

So for example if you weight 172 lbs (78kg) the following calculation gives you roughly your daily calorific requirement:

78 x 24 x 1.5 (moderately active) = 2808 calories per day to maintain current weight.

Once you know your base requirements (2808 calories per day), you simply need to make allowances for additional calories for weight gain. Another rule of thumb is that 3500 extra calories equates to an additional pound in weight. Therefore to gain weight in a healthy manner (no more than 1-2 pounds per week) you need to add 500 to a maximum of around 1000 extra calories to your diet a day.

Therefore your goal would be to consume in total about 3800 calories. This is only an estimate - Individual metabolic rates and lean body weight/fat ratio's can mean that this figure is either too high or too low, but it's a good starting point.

You also need to ensure that you eat small meals frequently 5 - 6 per day. By eating every 2 1/2 to 3 hours, you ensure that you maintain a positive nitrogen balance, which provides your body with the perfect environment for sustained lean weight gain.

So divide your total daily calorific requirement by 5-6 and you get the magic number you should be aiming for per meal. Each meal should consist of around 2 thirds complex carbs and one third protein. Fats (mainly from your protein source) should cover any fat requirements - so there's no real need to percentage it in.

Of course if you can't manage 5 - 6 meals a day, there's no harm in using a weight gainer supplement in between meals which provides a balanced combination of high quality proteins and carbohydrates - there are various good quality products on the market which can easily provide these extra calories.


Additional tips:

Limit aerobic exercise - running in particular tends to waste muscle - a genetic trait to make our bodies as metabolically efficient as possible.

Don't over train: This is a common mistake that will result in zero or limited gains. Train each body part once, maximum twice per week for a maximum of 6-9 sets per muscle group. If you're a hard gainer, I would suggest training each muscle group once per week. Also ensure you're getting enough sleep - 8 hrs minimum - this is when your body recuperates and grows.

ZMA and L-glutamine are also helpful for enhancing recovery between workouts and therefore, increasing muscle mass.

Hope this helps.

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RE: weight gain/supplement advice please! - 05 July 2008 19:59
I use CNP Pro Mass myself and i take it 3 times a day in supplement to my diet, like the icing on the cake

Breakfast with oatmeal

Post Workout

Before Bed with Milk

http://www.bodybuildingwarehouse.co.uk/pro-mass-25kg---high-quality-mass-gain-21-p.asp
http://www.bodybuildingwarehouse.co.uk/pro-mass-45kg---high-quality-mass-gain-22-p.asp

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RE: weight gain/supplement advice please! - 07 July 2008 14:29
excellent replies thanks very much,

ill take what you say on board and try to eat whole foods rather than supplements, my current workplace i dont have access to blender or any of the ingredients to make my own weight gain shake as i work in the north sea on an offshore platform 2 weeks on 3 weeks off

so do you reckon it would be ok to take CNP pro mass whilst im offshore then my own shakes with whey protein, oats, bananas, weetabix etc when im at home twice a day?


thanks again
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RE: weight gain/supplement advice please! - 07 July 2008 16:13


ORIGINAL: Riocat



ORIGINAL: MMA4life

hi mate, instead of spending money on a weight gainer, it could be an idea to get your calories from whole foods, then if your still not gainining weight, add a weight gainer of the sorts in.

supplements as the word implies - to supplement your intake from whole foods.

but if your diet is sorted though, i would recommend making your own by blending oats, milk whey, etc so you know what your getting. if not then IMO any of these of here:

http://www.bodybuildingwarehouse.co.uk/mass-gain-powders-47-c.asp

I agree, a pint of milk, oats, scoop of whey, some olive oil and a couple of sachets of white choc options powder, and youve got a great weight gainer, loads of cals


just one think does it work out any cheaper than buying one. just thinking if not then stick with the pro mass.
the gym is like women - takes up all your time, energy and money if you let it.
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RE: weight gain/supplement advice please! - 08 July 2008 15:48
hmm,

ZMA and l glutamine anyone reccomend any decent makes, ive only really seen met-rx at the mo
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RE: weight gain/supplement advice please! - 08 July 2008 15:56


ORIGINAL: npfman

hmm,

ZMA and l glutamine anyone reccomend any decent makes, ive only really seen met-rx at the mo


Myprotein Glutamine 100% http://www.myprotein.co.uk/bulk-powders/amino-acids/l-glutamine/

I use this stuff my self and works well to.
myprotein unflavoured whey 4.54kg
myprotein Glutamine 100% 1kg
I use milkshake powder nesquik for flavouring supplements
tesco multi vitamins and minerals a to z
holland&barret glucosamine sulphate
tesco omega 3
npfman

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RE: weight gain/supplement advice please! - 08 July 2008 21:56
cool, its my protein any good then, i think someone sent me a 5% discount from there, is that l glutamine in powder or tablet form and wen do u take it?

cheers
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