right ive posted a scimilar topic not too long ago, but i want to be more specific this thime.

im getting some new protein very soon either from my local shop or online.

also open to other suppliments if you would highly reccomend them

used 90+, want to change

isolate or concentrate?

ive looked at these but if there is anything better on the market let me know

my protein unflavoured impact whey. http://www.myprotein.co.uk/bulk-supplies/unflavoured-protein/impact-whey-isolate-(unflavoured)/

i also like the sound of this http://www.cheapuksupplements.com/shop/product.php/77/whey_protein_blend

opinions please

http://www.myprotein.co.uk/mp-max/whey-protein/

Im a big fan of mp's max range... new stock aswell in choc orange flavour which im eagerly awaiting

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90+ has a great reputation amongst members here on MT, why are you thinking of shifting over to a different one?

Isolate is a purer form of protein compared to concentrate but the price difference between the two reflects that.
If you have the budget, i'd go for isolate

The best protein on the market in my opinon is from the CNP range
http://www.bodybuildingwarehouse.co.uk/pro-peptide-227kg---advanced-multi-protein-blend-26-p.asp

If your looking for a good whey isolate why not stick with 90+ as you cant go far wrong
http://www.bodybuildingwarehouse.co.uk/nutrisport-90-protein-powder---5kg-413-p.asp

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isolate or concentrate?

Whey Isolate provides a purer source of protein (90 percent +) in comparison to whey concentrate, which will be around the 80 percent mark.

The key benefit of Isolate is that the majority of fat and lactose are removed. Therefore, if you're looking for the lowest fat content possible - isolate would be a good choice. In addition, isolate is clearly more suited to lactose intolerant individuals i.e. those who are unable to properly digest the milk sugar lactose - which is a common food intolerance which often manifests itself through digestive discomfort, bloating, wind etc.

But if you choose a whey isolate product, avoid those manufactured through ion-exchange. This is a chemical purification process, which produces a purer source of protein but also damages some of the amino acid profiles and also removes a number of important health and immune boosting sub-factions.

Cross flow micro / ultra filtration processes on the other hand (which is a low heat, non chemical process) produces an isolate of high biological value with no loss of these important sub factions. Of course, pure isolates manufactured using these methods are expensive.

Products containing both isolate and concentrate make a good quality to value choice.

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90+ has a great reputation amongst members here on MT, why are you thinking of shifting over to a different one?

Isolate is a purer form of protein compared to concentrate but the price difference between the two reflects that.
If you have the budget, i'd go for isolate

The best protein on the market in my opinon is from the CNP range
http://www.bodybuildingwarehouse.co.uk/pro-peptide-227kg---advanced-multi-protein-blend-26-p.asp

If your looking for a good whey isolate why not stick with 90+ as you cant go far wrong
http://www.bodybuildingwarehouse.co.uk/nutrisport-90-protein-powder---5kg-413-p.asp

I'd disagree with the advice to get isolate. I'd personally say that unless you're lactose intolerant then concentrate is the superior protein, based on the fact that the further stage of filtration that you put a concentrate through to achieve an isolate (microfiltration), also removes most of the growth factors (concentrate has upto 800%more).

These growth factors such as IGF-1, IGF-2, FGF etc, whilst in the short term may not exert any noticable effect...like most things, over the coarse of a year, may contribute to improved health such as better wound healing, and gut integrity. It's also plausible that they may contribute to increased LBM over time as well.

Personally I'd just pick a concentrate from one of the bulk suppliers, and save some money. Or if you're the type of person who prefers a branded product, then go for a reputable whey blend, as that will still be predominantly concentrate, with isolate added primarily to bump up the protein content....to compensate for addition of flavourings.

Just to clarify as the use of jargon can be used to obfuscate the issue...

sweet dairy whey undergoes ultrafiltration - which removes most of the fat and lactose - to produce a concentrate

Concentrate undergoes further processing via microfiltration or cross flow microfiltration to further remove the remaining lactose and fat. But this also removes nearly all of the growth factors as they're contained within the fat globule.

There is a third process that can produce an isolate known as ion-exchange...but this is an obsolete method (or should be).

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90+ has a great reputation amongst members here on MT, why are you thinking of shifting over to a different one?

mainly because ive been told its best to switch protein when you finnish a tub to kinda keep the body guessing, not sure if that info was correct but im just going on what ive been told

is DP90 any good.

im tring to slim also so dont want too much fat etc, and also while we are talking about slimming, are fat burners/slimming pills any good?

wouldnt mind the helping hand as im not going to starve myself and sacrifice my energy at the gym because of it

cheers in advance

Oldskool, I think the advice you may have been given was probably to rotate your protein sources (not brands / types of whey) every now and then as relying on one source of protein could potentially lead to allergy.

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Oldskool, I think the advice you may have been given was probably to rotate your protein sources (not brands / types of whey) every now and then as relying on one source of protein could potentially lead to allergy.

so alternate between isolate and concentrate?

or between protein source like dairy, egg, etc???

sorry about the lack of knowlege im a newbie, wanting to learn thow.

lol, you've been fed some big misinformation there mate lol... by all means keep the body 'guessing' by varying your workouts and training style but not with protein supplements?

I have stuck to the same protein for months and have been seing steady results and gains, more so because its linked to my diet and training rather than the name of company that produces the whey

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Oldskool, I think the advice you may have been given was probably to rotate your protein sources (not brands / types of whey) every now and then as relying on one source of protein could potentially lead to allergy.

also what protein would you reccomend then?

only wanting a Kg decent taste would be nice, easily mixed without bits is a must but most of all must help me 'grow' as thats what i get it for

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lol, you've been fed some big misinformation there mate lol... by all means keep the body 'guessing' by varying your workouts and training style but not with protein supplements?

I have stuck to the same protein for months and have been seing steady results and gains, more so because its linked to my diet and training rather than the name of company that produces the whey

lol as they say a young mind is easily mis lead.

but yea i dont care what the company that makes it is called as long as its going to aid my process im happy

cheers boys

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ORIGINAL: orinoco

Oldskool, I think the advice you may have been given was probably to rotate your protein sources (not brands / types of whey) every now and then as relying on one source of protein could potentially lead to allergy.

so alternate between isolate and concentrate?

or between protein source like dairy, egg, etc???
Or just obtain your protein from as many sources as possible.
sorry about the lack of knowlege im a newbie, wanting to learn thow.

ORIGINAL: oldskoolz50

ORIGINAL: orinoco

Oldskool, I think the advice you may have been given was probably to rotate your protein sources (not brands / types of whey) every now and then as relying on one source of protein could potentially lead to allergy.

also what protein would you reccomend then?

only wanting a Kg decent taste would be nice, easily mixed without bits is a must but most of all must help me 'grow' as thats what i get it for

That's a personal decision. I can't say i've heard a bad thing about any of the bulk suppliers such as bulk powders, Myprotein, BulkSupplementsDirect, allinone etc so choosing one over the other is subjective. Also with the branded products....you'll find everyone has a favourite.

Read a few threads on here to see what's popular.....

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ORIGINAL: oldskoolz50

ORIGINAL: orinoco

Oldskool, I think the advice you may have been given was probably to rotate your protein sources (not brands / types of whey) every now and then as relying on one source of protein could potentially lead to allergy.

also what protein would you reccomend then?

only wanting a Kg decent taste would be nice, easily mixed without bits is a must but most of all must help me 'grow' as thats what i get it for

That's a personal decision. I can't say i've heard a bad thing about any of the bulk suppliers such as bulk powders, Myprotein, BulkSupplementsDirect, allinone etc so choosing one over the other is subjective. Also with the branded products....you'll find everyone has a favourite.

Read a few threads on here to see what's popular.....

got a little confused now so just going to go to my local shop tomorrow and get met rx supreme whey i think.

sorry to be a pain.

Bought a bit from myprotein recently and would highly recommend it.

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I use myprotein for impact unflavoured whey. Creatine mono and glutamine 100%. All 3 are great products I use and they work well with a good diet and training.

myprotein unflavoured whey 4.54kg
myprotein Glutamine 100% 1kg
I use milkshake powder nesquik for flavouring supplements
tesco multi vitamins and minerals a to z
holland&barret glucosamine sulphate
tesco omega 3

its myprotein all the whey (haha) for me..just ordered concentrate unflavoured as i have done for the last god knows how long,20lb 9kgish for £65 including delivery..now that is a bargain

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Steroids without diet=no growth

Also have a look at www.bulkpowders.co.uk

got a little confused now so just going to go to my local shop tomorrow and get met rx supreme whey i think.

sorry to be a pain.

Mate...you're not alone...lol

met rx supreme I'm sure will be as good as any - it's a whey concentrate / isolate blend - not sure of the percentages though. More concentrate than isolate though. As for flavour - choc seems to be well liked - there are varying opinions (it tastes great/it's disgusting etc.) about the strawberry and vanilla. I guess it just comes down to personal taste preference.

As for the whey isolate vs concentrate debate: cross flow microfiltration / ultra filtration doesn't remove important subfactions. Companies don't continue to invest heaviy in a technology if it produces an inferior product.

I think orinoco is quoting info from:

http://www.extremenutrition.co.uk/news_and_articles/whey.php when he talks about the removal of subfactions and growth factors.

A more comprehensive, objective article on the subject can be found here:

http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/protein/whey-protein-more-info-2.htm

A good whey isolate/concentrate blend such as the met-rx should provide a good source of protein - so get it tomorrow - you're not being a pain, that's what forums are for

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got a little confused now so just going to go to my local shop tomorrow and get met rx supreme whey i think.

sorry to be a pain.

Mate...you're not alone...lol

met rx supreme I'm sure will be as good as any - it's a whey concentrate / isolate blend - not sure of the percentages though. More concentrate than isolate though. As for flavour - choc seems to be well liked - there are varying opinions (it tastes great/it's disgusting etc.) about the strawberry and vanilla. I guess it just comes down to personal taste preference.

As for the whey isolate vs concentrate debate: cross flow microfiltration / ultra filtration doesn't remove important subfactions. Companies don't continue to invest heaviy in a technology if it produces an inferior product.

I think orinoco is quoting info from:

http://www.extremenutrition.co.uk/news_and_articles/whey.php when he talks about the removal of subfactions and growth factors.


A more comprehensive, objective article on the subject can be found here:

http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/protein/whey-protein-more-info-2.htm

A good whey isolate/concentrate blend such as the met-rx should provide a good source of protein - so get it tomorrow - you're not being a pain, that's what forums are for

I think orinoco is just not trying to shamelessly sell anything....oh,and the words are all mine...sorry to disappoint.

Judging by the umbrage taken by sportsense, I'm guessing he has a vested interest in the sale of isolate containing products.....

EDIT: Sports-sense, i've just visited your homepage and now I can understand why you made the comments that you did. Apologies (and I'm not being facetious or anything)....but I didn't realise that the primary purpose of this MT supplement forum was for product promotion.....no offence was intended.